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August 14, 2006

Interview: Maurice LaMarche

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 6:42 am

-by Ken Plume

When it comes to the kind of subjects I get it into my fool head to interview, they generally tend to be choices that your average celeb-chaser would blink twice at and then move on, with little comprehension of the fascinating people and careers that exist outside of names like Pitt, Gibson, Cruise, or Hilton.

A few years back, I decided to begin interviewing cartoon voice actors. Spurred on by a love of animation and a deep respect for the often unsung actors who bring characters like Homer, Spongebob, Bugs Bunny, Ludwig Von Drake, Fry, Tigger, Huckleberry Hound (the list could go on, and on, and on), and many more to life, I set about doing in-depth interviews with as many voice actors (who would a) grant the request and b) not hang up) as possible.

Due to various delays and scheduling snafus, many of these in-depth pieces have sat on the proverbial shelf for the past few years, but are finally being presented here at Quick Stop.

The first interview from the vaults is with an amazingly gifted voice actor who an entire generation is familiar with as one half of Pinky & The Brain (the big-headed, world dominance craving Brain half), Maurice LaMarche. Suffice it to say, he’s had a fascinating and varied career, and I’d much rather leave it to the interview, and his own words, to tell you more…

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mo-01.jpgMAURICE LAMARCHE: Hey, Ken. Maurice here.

KEN PLUME: It’s a pleasure to be speaking with you.

LAMARCHE: Nice to speak with you. I wanted to do this from the pool of my Beverly Hills mansion, but I realized I don’t have one.  I’m gonna have to settle for parking on a side street in Beverly Hills and pulling out a Cuban cigar.

KP: Aren’t there loaner pools for voice actors?

LAMARCHE: I don’t know.  I wonder if there are talent pools for voice actors, and I hope to find one.

KP: So you would you prefer Maurice, Mr. LaMarche, or just Sir?

LAMARCHE: Mo. Everybody calls me Mo.

KP: You’re Canadian, right?

LAMARCHE: I am.

KP: Born in the late 50’s…

LAMARCHE: Yes, 1958.

KP: Were you raised in Canada?

LAMARCHE: I was not farm raised or grain fed, but yes, I was raised in Toronto.  Actually, I started life in Toronto and then immediately, almost like right out of the maternity ward, we moved to a little town called Timmins, Ontario, which is where Shania Twain is from.

KP: There’s sort of a time warp aspect to the more rural areas of Canada.

LAMARCHE: Yes, but I left when I was four so it was still the hippest place going as far as I was concerned.  Except for the 25 degree below zero days in May.  But other than that, it was all I knew. But it did give me the hardy texture I have today in terms of dealing with cold and all… I mean, I still go out in shirt sleeves in, you know, 40 degree weather out here, and people marvel at it.  My blood was thickened at an early age.

KP: That’s as frigid as it gets in L.A., isn’t it?

LAMARCHE: Oh yes.

KP: What were the cultural aspects that you were exposed to at that time?  Canada at that time is a weird sort of cultural prism, and the elements weren’t exactly what we here in the U.S. would have had.

LAMARCHE: It’s a bit of a bubble, I’d have to say, culturally.  I think a lot of staying in. The most important thing to do when you were a kid in Canada was to somehow get home from school without freezing to death, and going right inside and watching afternoon television.  So you always got a healthy dose of Star Trek and Batman and the Commander Tom show, which was a local cartoon host show.  Lots of butter tarts, which are this gooey, very fattening food which are needed to put a layer of blubber on most of us so that we can withstand the cold.  A lot of pain, a lot of tourtiere, which is a French Canadian meat pie.  Just warm, fatty comfort foods, you know, once you get in the door.  And a lot of Hockey Night in Canada, which was very difficult for me, because I’m the only heterosexual Canadian male born without the hockey gene.

KP: How did that affect you growing up?

LAMARCHE: There are flaming drag queens in Canada that care more about hockey than I do. And I don’t know how the hell that happened because my father palled around with the Mahovlich brothers and Al Arbor in his childhood.  He was from Timmins, and that’s where they’re all from, and if it wasn’t for his height, he actually might have made at least the farm teams. He was very talented as a hockey player and a natural athlete, and could skate rings around people.  It was actually fascinating to watch. 

KP: So did you have issues with coordination?

LAMARCHE: I just didn’t care.  It just didn’t register.  Didn’t appear as a blip on my radar.  It was none of my business.  The game going on at the Maple Leaf Gardens was no more my business than the fight my neighbors five doors down were having.

KP: In Canada, that’s almost unpatriotic.

LAMARCHE: It is, absolutely, and I was ostracized.  Even from my father.   He couldn’t figure me out.  He thought it was blasphemy that here I was this French Canadian kid and I didn’t care about hockey.

KP: I can’t imagine how you would try and relate to the other kids then.

LAMARCHE: I didn’t.  So hence I went into my own little world of cartoons and sixties television. There was a show on local TV there called Tiny Talent Time, and much like Bobby from King of the Hill, I remember going to my parents and telling them I wanted to go on Tiny Talent Time, and be a comedian.  And all they had was kids from the age of four to eleven doing their talent. It was a really cheesy show.  And I remember my grandmother said, “You wanna be a what?  A comedian? Oh, I can’t imagine anything so frickin’ ridiculous.”

KP: So not only did you lack the hockey gene, but you wanted to be an entertainer.

LAMARCHE: Yes. Now, my family were all natural entertainers.  My grandfather on my mother’s side was a master mimic.  He wasn’t professional, but he was well known in his group of friends for his impressions of Maurice Chevalier and Adolph Hitler.

KP: What a winning combination.

LAMARCHE: Yes.  Of course, you’ve got to realize this was pre-holocaust in the war.  He was just sort of this mean guy in Germany.  After the Nuremburg Trials the true horror of what he had done really began to spread through the world, but before that, he was just looked at as this aggressive SOB over in Europe and it was really none of anybody’s business.  So my grandfather did a great Hitler, a great Maurice Chevalier.  And my mother also could mimic any one of her friends.  She didn’t do famous people, but she would relate stories of conversations she’d had with her friends, and play all the friends in the conversation. You knew exactly who was talking, and four people were talking in this story. She kept it very, very distinct and separate and spoke in their voices, and she was a wonderful storyteller and joke teller.  My father had a very sardonic sort of sense of humor and just ridiculed everything.  So the two of them… my father couldn’t tell a joke to save his life, but my father denied the two main rules of comedy – which is brevity is the soul of wit and… well, this is more of an anti-rule – the joke is always about somebody else. It’s always about two Jews walk into a bar.  You don’t say, “I happened to walk into a tavern with two men of the Judaic faith.” My father would always cast himself as a character in the joke, completely ruining it.  I mean, God rest his soul, but I don’t know…

KP: So he had both timing and structure issues.

LAMARCHE: Absolutely.  But let somebody cut him off on the freeway, and my father could launch into a string of expletives – understated expletives – sarcastic, cutting references to the person that would have you on the floor laughing.  So my father was unintentionally funny whenever he tapped into his anger.  My mother, wonderful raconteur and mimic… and these two things missed me entirely.  No, I guess they sort of came together in me and formed whatever sense of humor and comedy that I have.

mo-02.jpgQS: Did you get a sense at that point that the mimicry ability and humor was not something that everyone had?

LAMARCHE: Yes. I felt like I’d escaped from the bottled city of Kandor.

KP: And making a very nice  Superman reference.

LAMARCHE: Yes indeed.  And coming here, it’s like going back into the bottled city of Kandor because I meet people like Billy West and Jim Cummings and Jess Harnell and Jeff Glen Bennett, and… who else am I leaving off the list that I think is absolutely brilliant?  Rob Paulsen, of course.  A whole passel of people that can do what I do.  So it’s like Brainiac beamed me back in the bottle where I’m with all these other people with super powers.  So I’m just sort of ordinary here.  But yeah, it made me stand out, and I guess people didn’t quite know what to make of me.  I was sent to school psychologists because I wouldn’t stop doing these voices and acting out these cartoons and playing all the characters.

KP: Was it an inclusive thing, where you were the class clown, or did you create your own little world and it was an “everyone else be damned” kinda thing?

LAMARCHE: In earlier life, absolutely it was my own little world. Only in my junior year in high school did I learn to harness my powers for good instead of evil.  In other words, I learned to turn it outwards.  The turning point for me was 10th grade and the high school variety show.  I was schticking around in the cafeteria with a couple of the seniors, and they said, “He’d be great.”  This one guy, Harry Van Bommel turns to Steve Barton – I know you know these guys, so that’s why I’m telling you – and said, “He’d be great in the variety night.”  Steve Barton said, “Yeah.”  I said, “But what would I do?  All I’m doing with you guys is just floating lines from television shows.” And Steve Barton said, “Don’t worry, I’ll write you an act.”  So he wrote a little three minute long standup, “celebrities as waiters.”  And I actually used that bit.  I mean obviously I refined it, tweaked it, but I used that bit up until the very last day I did standup.  It remained a cornerstone of my act.  And lo and behold, I got a standing ovation at the variety night, and everything changed.  The next day I came to school, I was no longer the outcast.  I was a hero, people were treating me special and nice as though somehow or other this thing that I’ve always been able to do, that got me ridiculed, was now something to be admired.  It was a bit heady.  I imagine at an early, early age… it’s like those athletes that peak in high school.  I had, like, this degree of celebrity within the microcosm of my school, and it kind of sent me into a bit of a headspin kinda space.

KP: Were you able to accept and enjoy it, or was it something you were suspicious of?

LAMARCHE: No, I accepted and enjoyed it a little too much and began to think a little too much of myself.  But I quickly snapped out of that when I entered the real world.  I took my little high school act down to New York and open mic night at the Improv when I was… how old was I when I did that?  I was 18.  And when they didn’t ask me immediately to become a regular and move down to New York and – quite the opposite – they just totally ignored me…

KP: That was what – ’75, ’76?

LAMARCHE: That would be the summer of 1977.  So I’m mistaken – I had just turned 19. 

KP: That period was quite a heady time within the comic community.

LAMARCHE: Yes it was.  Maybe the best thing I could have done was to actually move down to New York at that time, but when I walked past Silver Friedman and she… you know, I didn’t make a blip on her radar, and she said, “Well, come back next month I guess.” I went back to Toronto with my tail between my legs.  But I’d gotten my first taste.

KP: Was there a sense, growing up in Canada, that entertainment originated outside the country?  That you had to go elsewhere?

LAMARCHE: Well, we had our own entertainers.  They weren’t very entertaining, but they were there. Actually, there were some very good people.  Second City was getting going then.  And I think because of developing in the bubble, it developed its own kind of humor.  Very self-deprecating, much along the lines of the Canadian national character at the time.  References upon references, somewhat unstructured.  Not Pythonesque, but almost.

KP: Well, the comedy kinda combined the best aspects of both British and American humor, didn’t it?

LAMARCHE: I think so.  But again, I think in both cases, neither of those styles is as culturally referential as, say, some of the stuff Second City did… for instance, that Fantasy Island routine that became a Bob Hope routine.  Just constantly going inside itself.  I think that was uniquely Canadian.  Other than that it’s really hard to nail down what Canadian humor is.

KP: It’s almost comedy in search of an identify, isn’t it?

LAMARCHE: Yeah, but it’s finding itself.  It’s finding itself. The Kids in the Hall, and Second City of course, and now all those guys are becoming the grand old men of comedy.  The new Burroughs.

KP: Was the goal to be a success outside of the country?

LAMARCHE: You were actually shunned if you did that.  I remember… let me think here.  Oh, here it was.  I was watching Jeopardy last night in the restaurant – it was the high school edition of Jeopardy – and I turned to the person I was with and I said, “Look at this.  Alex Trebek has come full circle.”  And the person, being American, had no idea what I was talking about, so I explained that when I first started out, I had a little job at a TV station in Toronto when Alex Trebek was doing Reach for the Top, which was a high school student quiz show.  And I, at the time, had just landed my first job in show business, which was hosting a local variety show. Kind of like Tiny Talent Time except they feature high school students.  And me being just out of high school, they thought I’d be a good host for it.  So when I was negotiating my contract, I was getting a big $175 per episode.  And I remembered saying to my friend last night, at one point Alex Trebek and I were making the same money – because my producer of this show explained to me that that’s what Trebek gets for Reach for the Top: $175.  And when Alex Trebek came down to California to host High Rollers, everybody at that local station turned their noses up at him as though he’d sold out to the great American entertainment Satan.

KP: He should be happy with his $175…

LAMARCHE: It wasn’t about the $175, it was about the fact that he was doing a high level quiz show for high school students, and that that should be his calling in life, and that this should be okay.  You know, that he should be satisfied with that.  I guess there’s the sense of, in Canada, “Who do you think you are to go beyond the ceiling?”  This is actually part of the reason I hate socialism and why I’m not living there today, amongst other factors, the prime of which is that I’d never want to put my back out shoveling another friggin’ driveway.  But the idea that there’s this cap and it’s actually this ceiling that’s actually quite low that you should never try to break out of, otherwise everybody looks at you saying, “Who the hell do you think you are to try to be better than the rest of us?”  It’s dangerous.  And I absolutely heard at least three people talk about Trebek that way.  That he…

KP: So it’s a fervent defense of the middle ground…

LAMARCHE: Absolutely. And why should anybody try to… don’t rock the boat, we’re all getting our health care taken care of, it’s free… Of course it’s not free. It comes from the astronomical taxes that the Canadians pay, but they all think their health care’s free.  Meanwhile, 66% of their money’s going away.  That’s the free health care.

KP: Ironic that the show they shunned him for leaving was called Reach for the Top.

LAMARCHE: Yeah.  It should have been called Reach for the Middle.  No, they wanted him to return to Reach for the Top, and you know what, to Trebek’s credit, he actually came back and did Reach for the Top for the same $175 for another season while they were paying him $10,000 a week down in the states to host the first season of High Rollers.  He still came back. He felt a moral duty and a sense of purpose that he was quizzing high school students and keeping the bar high in terms of educational standards.  Finally though he said it’s just not worth coming back to Toronto to do this.  I assume.

KP: Was the shaming overt? 

LAMARCHE: Not to his face.  Behind his face.

KP: Was it something he could feel?

LAMARCHE: I have no idea.

KP: Was it something that you felt?

LAMARCHE: Oh yes, absolutely.  When I left and made the attempt to better myself, the comedians at the comedy club, two or three of them wished me well, but most of them told me how tough it would be and why are you going there, you’ve got a good thing going here, you’re a big fish in a small pond here, stay in the small pond.  I just didn’t see it that way.  I saw it as my job to make the best of my lot in life.  I’ve got this talent and let’s see what I can do with it.  Let’s take it all the way.  Now a few things… I had a few bumps in the road and I did retire from standup… retire… I left standup after my dad was murdered, but… this isn’t a very linear interview, is it?

KP: No, they never are, and that’s usually for the best.

LAMARCHE: Okay.

KP: I’m not gonna limit the conversation is what I’m saying.

LAMARCHE: Okay.  But as I said, there were a few bumps in the road, and… but my point is I still saw the States as that old cliché, the land of opportunity.  You can become anything you want to be here.  That’s why I still love this country.

KP: When you’re actively making that decision, how difficult… you talk about your first foray down to the Improv.  That didn’t go as you had hoped, and when you returned, does it harden you and make you even more resolved to go back, or is it something that turned you off for the immediate future?

LAMARCHE: No, no. I absolutely wanted to come back and try and do better.  I actually had a little anxiety attack when I got back from Toronto, which manifested in my chest so everybody thought I’d had a heart attack, and I actually went to the hospital.  Of course with the free health care… free health care that my parents’ taxes were paying for, I stayed in the hospital for three weeks for observation.  For having chest pains at 19 years old.  You know, because why not?  We’ve got all this money to spend on health care. 

KP: Are you saying it’s not terribly efficient?

LAMARCHE: Do you get that impression?

KP: It’s kind of subtle.

LAMARCHE: I’m not trying to hit you over the head with it or anything. 

KP: What were you thinking, laying there for three weeks under observation?

LAMARCHE: I was thinking I wish I’d just belched and gotten the damn gas out of my chest or whatever the hell it was.  No, actually, what I was thinking truthfully was, “Oh my god there’s something horribly wrong with me.  Look at all this attention I’m getting!  Hey, maybe I can parlay this into getting laid.”  That’s what I was really thinking.

KP: Well, at least it gave you time to think.

LAMARCHE: Mm-hmm.

KP: If you hadn’t had an anxiety attack, would you have thought about going back into the fold and saying, “I gotta get out of here…”?

mo-03.jpgLAMARCHE: Actually, if I hadn’t had the anxiety attack, I probably would have told my mom and dad “I’m moving down to New York this week.”  And I’ve always regretted not moving to New York.  I came straight to Los Angeles three years later, and I always… afterwards, in retrospect, I thought it was a mistake.  I think that a couple of years in New York would have made me a stronger comedian.  I think nobody… there’s an earthiness to New Yorkers that makes you funnier.  That gives you a bit more of an edge.  And I think by forestalling for three years, I got to L.A., you know, without much refinement.  And I think that would have been a baptism of fire that would have refined my comedy muscles a little more. 

KP: What did your act consist of at the time?

LAMARCHE: My act?  They used to describe me, “He’s like Rich Little on speed.”  I used to do very rapid fire impressions.  My downfall as a comedian, or my shortcoming rather as a comedian, was that I never had great material.  I don’t think I was clever enough to write great material, and I never really… apart from one really great writing session with a guy named Josh Goldstein who went on to create Fresh Prince.  He wrote on Fresh Prince.  He co-created the one that was on Saturday nights about the Kennedy era, American something.

KP: American Dreams?

LAMARCHE: American Dreams.  He co-created American Dreams.  Anyway, Josh and I paired up for like two days and wrote about 10 strong minutes, but I had 30 minutes, so the 10 strong minutes in my act were from the Josh session, and the rest of it was just me kinda demo-ing my voices.  Sort of the high point of my career was I got to be on the 1985 HBO Young Comedians Special, the 9th Annual Young Comedians Special. And I watched it the other day, and I thought to myself, you know, I was about two years away from becoming really good, and probably about five years away from becoming great, because the problem with impressionists is we don’t say anything from the stage.  We just put on these little skits.  Putting celebrities in wacky jobs and weird situations and implying a homosexual relationship between two well-known characters.  You know, those little devices, but we don’t come from anywhere.

KP: So it’s more about performance.

LAMARCHE: Yeah.  And I think I was about five years away from figuring out that I could be the only impressionist that actually comes from somewhere. That has something to say. But you know, unfortunately in 1987 my dad’s best friend thought it would be a good idea to resolve a little argument they were having by shooting him in the chest, and I went into a tailspin of depression.  I began drinking and that became problematic. 

KP: At that point was there nowhere you could turn?

LAMARCHE: No, I was in therapy, but it’s tough to work through therapy when you come in smashed.  You absolutely must go through therapy sober.  Otherwise it’s not gonna work. It’s like turning on the air conditioning and a space heater in the same room. You’re not gonna get anything.  So I eventually did get sober in 1989.  I stopped drinking on January 20th, 1989, and haven’t had a drink since.  By then I’d lost so much momentum, and I realized there were still Reagan jokes in my act.  It was just tough to get… after falling off the horse and staying off of it for a full two years, I just never quite got back on.

KP: Can you define the spark that disappeared?  Was it your heart wasn’t in it?

LAMARCHE: In 1987 when my dad died, I remember thinking that I… this is the one thing… don’t forget, we got the hockey thing still hanging there.  The idea that my father was ashamed of me. And this was the one thing he was truly proud of me for, that I’d found my niche in life and I was doing this thing and I was doing it quite well.  In spite of my own critique of myself and my material.  I was opening… the outside world was treating me okay for it. I was the opening act for Rodney Dangerfield for a year and a half.  The Temptations and the Four Tops had me on the road with them.  I opened for George Carlin, David Sanborn, Donna Summer.  I was playing Las Vegas, Atlantic City.

KP: So it’s not like you weren’t a working comedian.

LAMARCHE: Oh no. God no.  It was actually tough to split my time between this new career that I’d started, as sort of a part time job in voiceover work, and this full time schedule of traveling around the country opening for famous people, and doing quite well in front of them.  Because I was an extra.  I was just this little extra… you know, the appetizer for them.  But they got this 20 minutes of funny impressions and stuff like that.  But my father used to fly in from wherever he was in the world – and he was quite the world traveler, especially in his later years after he’d made money.  And he would surprise me, come in from Europe just to watch me in Las Vegas… because Las Vegas was sorta his town, you know.  So for him to see his boy’s name on the marquis in big letters at Caesar’s Palace -because Rodney was very generous with billing… He absolutely insisted on giving his opening act 50% billing, which are huge letters when you come right down to it.  That was just such a thrill for him, and it was the one thing I’d done that had made him proud. And when he died, I made a decision that it wasn’t worth making anybody laugh ever again if I wasn’t going to get to make him laugh and make him proud of me.  So I made a conscious decision to abandon this thing, because it would just be too painful to look out at the audience realizing that I’ll never see his Camel nonfilter cigarette burning in his hand in the third row, where I can just barely make out his silhouette.  So there was that. Then there was just the inevitable self-pity that came with being a drunk, and finally after being two years out of the game, just feeling as though I was out of touch with the scene, and that I didn’t know how I would ever be able to get on the bike again…

KP: There’s a quote attributed to you that Sam Kinison said in a Rolling Stone interview…

LAMARCHE: Yeah…

KP: That “You can make them laugh, but you can’t make them happy…”

LAMARCHE: Yeah.

KP: What period did that quote come out of?

LAMARCHE: When we were both doing standup.  We both had gotten quite smashed one night, and Sam was actually very sad.  He was actually in tears.  His girlfriend was consoling him because he was wondering about whether what we did meant anything.  And he said, “Maurice, we help people, don’t we?  We make ’em happy?”  And I said, “No Sam, we make them laugh but we can’t make them happy.”  He went, “Yeah, yeah,” and he kept balling because he really felt like his life was meaningless. (laughing)  Mr. Cheerful helping Sam out!  But it’s the reality.  There’s a huge difference between fun and happiness.  Fun is momentary.  Fun happens in little short spurts and then it’s over. 

KP: When you’d get up on stage as a comedian during that period, who were you getting up on stage for?  Yourself or others?

LAMARCHE: Well, that really became a turning point for me.  I realized I was doing it for myself. And the couple of attempts that I’d made at getting back into it, a good friend of mine, Mike Binder said – I don’t mean to drop names, but here… because Anthony Hopkins told me never to do that – but Mike Binder’s a very funny comedian… He created the series Mind of a Married Man. He said, “Before you go up on stage, Mo, say a prayer to god that you’ll be of service to the audience. That you’ll be able to make the one guy laugh who was there because he’s had a rough day, rough week at the office or he’s got a sick child or something like that, and he really needs to get away from his problems, and you’ll bring a laugh to that guy.”  Because I actually made a very, very short lived attempt to get back into standup in 1990. And tragically enough – and I’m not saying these two things coincide – my little sister was killed in a car accident in September of 1990 at the age of 18 and I just, you know… at that point I just threw up my hands and went, “Oh, that’s it.  I don’t have any funny left in me.  I’m done.”  But in that little period there where I tried to come back to it, that stayed with me, and of course when one recovers from alcoholism one has to live one’s life on a more spiritual basis, so I tried to adapt that, and I did fine. It was a better feeling getting up on stage, praying that prayer, “God, help me bring a laugh to somebody who really needs one today.”  It definitely… there was a turnaround there and it felt better.

KP: But prior to that, would you say you were doing it more along the lines of sort of a lingering feeling of how you felt in high school when you first got that big rush?

LAMARCHE: Yeah, it was absolutely all about me.  Mm-hmm.  No question.

August 8, 2006

Quickcast Interview: Terry Gilliam

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quickcast-20060620-gilliam01.jpgIn this multi-part series of podcast interviews with Quick Stop’s Ken Plume, filmmaker Terry Gilliam discusses everything from his days as a Python to digital filmmaking, including his new film, Tideland.

You can find out more about Tideland at the official website, tidelandthemovie.com, and more about Terry at the website Dreams.

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July 26, 2006

Quick Stop Video Interview: Balls of Fury

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 11:58 pm

While running around like crazy at this year’s San Diego Comic-Con, we got a chance to sit down with Thomas Lennon and Ben Garant, stars/co-creators of Reno 911! (and its upcoming big screen iteration, Reno 911!: Miami), and talk about both Reno and their other upcoming flick, Balls of Fury, which lands on US screens in March 2007.

As to what Balls of Fury is about, let’s just say it’s about ping-pong, the government, organized crime, and a crime boss played by Christopher Walken.

We’ve got nearly 30 minutes of chat time with the pair, presented via the video clips below”¦ Enjoy!PART 1:
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Quick Stop Video Interview: Hot Fuzz

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hotfuzz-02.jpgWhile running around like crazy at this year’s San Diego Comic-Con, we got a chance to sit down with Edgar Wright and Nick Frost, whose genre-bending cop flick (and Shaun of the Dead follow-up) Hot Fuzz hits US screens in January 2007.
Co-written (with Simon Pegg) and directed by Wright, it stars Pegg as a London cop banished to the hinterlands by jealous colleagues, who’s then teamed with a witless partner (Frost) before stumbling on a series of suspicious events.

We’ve got nearly 30 minutes of chat time with the pair, presented via the video clips below”¦ Enjoy!

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July 25, 2006

Interview: Don Jamieson

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 1:29 am

-By David J Lieto (aka The Squeeg)

Mrs. Squeeg and I had the good fortune of scoring tickets to the 2nd Anniversary Celebration at Uncle Vinnie’s Comedy Club in Point Pleasant Beach, NJ.  Uncle Vinnie’s is well known in these parts for excellent food, service and great comedy.  We knew we were going to have a great time which was only increased when we were able to sit down and spend a few minutes with one of the night’s headliners, Don Jamieson.

A frequent guest of Howard Stern, Don, along with partner Jim Florentine, is gearing up to film a pilot for Comedy Central called Meet The Creeps.

don01.jpgDON: Basically it’s a hidden camera show where me and Jim – and a few of our comedian friends – go out and pull pranks on people…

SQUEEG: How do you film them without them catching on?

DON: We’ve got a camera that fits into a pen cap.  The cameraman puts the pen next to his ear and no one ever knows they’re being filmed… And that’s the best part because [someone’s] natural reaction is often the funniest reaction… and we’re able to capture that and it’s great.

There’s certainly truth in that.  If you visit Don’s website, www.DONJAMIESON.com, you can see clips from the first two seasons of Meet The Creeps. The clip entitled “Urban Fishing” is one of my favorites.

DON: We took little Spongebob Squarepants fishing rods and reels, and fishing hats… and went to this store down in Chinatown where they have these live fish tanks and we just started fishing there… the whole idea is we just act like what were doing is normal… they come up to us, you know, tellin’ us we can’t do what we’re doing and we’re like ‘No, no we got it from here.  You can take care of the other customers.’ Our friend K.C. was trying to reel one in… Water was splashin’ all around and the pole was bent over.  And People are standin’ there, in amazement, watching us as we pulled in one of these catfish.  They were just in awe…  But it wasn’t like we just did it in vain, we bought the fish… By the way, no fish were hurt in the making of that video…

SQUEEG: Wait a minute… If you’re just shooting the pilot now, how did you get two seasons of “Meet The Creeps” on DVD?

DON: They [Comedy Central] launched a broadband network, called the Mother Load… [Meet The Creeps] was one of the original shows for that so we did two seasons on there and… now they asked us to do a pilot for a primetime show for tv.

An interesting accolade, an Emmy, was bestowed upon both Don and Jim.  This was the result of appearing on HBO’s Inside The NFL.

DON: They [Inside The NFL Execs] offered us a chance to do some comedy spots on their show…  They had seen our hidden camera stuff and thought it would be funny to do that with some of the players or fans.  So we did some Meet The Creeps style stuff  which they thought was a little too hardcore for what they wanted and they decided we should do some scripted stuff. We did some funny stuff… and got some really good experience because neither one of us did much scripted work before.  We did sports-themed pieces…like we did one on how guys kind of go through like a drug withdrawal in that week between the regular season and the play-offs.  So we did six or seven pieces like that and HBO strung them together and submitted them for an Emmy… We didn’t think we’d ever get it.  We’re just two guys from New Jersey.  We figured all we get is a free dinner and some drinks… So all these respected broadcasters are winning, like Bob Costas and Chris Berman, and we missed it… we were in suits and couldn’t wait to get out of them.  We were planning on going to a Rock concert in Jersey.  And that’s all we were thinkin’ about.  So we ended up not even knowing we won until all these people started coming around shaking our hands and congratulating us.

If you’ve never caught Don’s act you’re really missing out on some great stuff.  The Mrs. and I have seen him 4 times and every time we go it seems we laugh harder than the time before.  On this occasion I laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my wheelchair.  But Don’s humor translates well in any size venue.   He recently opened for Andrew “Dice” Clay at the Borgata in Atlantic City and at the Mandalay Bay in Vegas.

DON: Jim and I are huge Dice fans.  We can recite lines from all his CDs.  Well, Jim met him out in L.A. and they became good friends.  So Jim started opening for him and there was this one time when Jim couldn’t do it and he recommended me which was great. Of course, the Dice-man’s a great comic and his audience is all pumped up so it’s really easy to play.  But the great thing was, here I come off the stage and “Dice” – this guy I’ve idolized for years – he’s back there laughing and repeating some of my lines.  It’s just phenomenal the way something like that makes you feel. 

 

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When asked about his recent appearances on Stern – the ones since Howard left “terrestrial” radio – Don said: 

“I did a couple of the Roasts and, hopefully, we’ll be on there to promote Meet The Creeps but, yeah, he’s been great.  He lets us come on there to promote our gigs and our merchandise.  He’s played segments from our Terrorizing Telemarketers CD.  He’s been really good to us.”

Mrs. Squeeg and I have known Don since 2002, when he starred in a short film I wrote and directed.  He is one of the most down-to-earth and self-effacing guys I’ve ever met.  I’m proud to know him and to call him a friend.

DON: It’s amazing all the things I’ve accomplished over the ten years I’ve been doing this and, yet, nobody knows my name…

They will, Don.  They most certainly will.

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Several years have past since the last time I wrote for any kind of periodical – web-based or otherwise.  The last article I wrote concerned an appearance I did on the Howard Stern Show, 12 years earlier. 

It was triumphant moment for me because an accident 4 years earlier made writing a near impossibility.  But thanks to intense therapy, good doctors, and some REAL good pain meds I regained the practical use of my typing finger. 

So now I’m here.  I have to thank Ming Chen, Ken Plume, and, of course, Kevin Smith for giving me a chance. 

Future articles will feature the Vegas scene with interviews and reviews.
 

 

July 10, 2006

Interview: Carlos Alazraqui

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 4:00 am

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-By Ken Plume

alazraqui-20060710-01.jpgWith the 4th season of Reno 911 premiering on Comedy Central, the 3rd season hitting your local DVD emporium, and a major motion picture on the way in the form of Reno 911: Miami, we got a chance to have a nice long chat with the man behind one of Reno’s finest, Carlos Alazraqui, who plays Deputy James Garcia.

Alazraqui is also a standup comedian and an established voiceover artist, starting with Rocko in Rocko’s Modern Life and including the legendary Taco Bell Chihuahua.

Be sure to also swing by his official website at www.CarlosAlazraqui.com

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KEN PLUME: I interviewed Tom Lennon last year… a big, massive, career-comprehensive, all his secrets revealed kind of thing…

CARLOS ALAZRAQUI: I don’t have many secrets…

PLUME: In which he revealed that really, you’re his favorite.

ALAZRAQUI: Oh yeah?

PLUME: Sure.

ALAZRAQUI: Why not?

PLUME: Of course he would say that, right?

ALAZRAQUI: Exactly.

PLUME: How could he not say that? ‘Cause clearly you’re the audience’s favorite.

ALAZRAQUI: That’s right. It’s unchallenged. That fact is unchallenged.

PLUME: Until it is, it is completely unchallenged.

ALAZRAQUI: Exactly. The Earth is round, and I’m everybody’s favorite.

PLUME: You know what? I would put money on it right now.

ALAZRAQUI: Good.

PLUME: Maybe not once challenged, but right now.

ALAZRAQUI: Exactly, right now before it’s challenged.

PLUME: Looking over your career, it’s interesting that primarily you’ve done standup and voice work…

ALAZRAQUI: Yes.

PLUME: I’m assuming standup came first…

alazraqui-20060710-02.jpgALAZRAQUI: Standup comedy, yeah. And then in ’92, I was living in San Francisco from ’87 to ’94. In ’92, there was a local audition for a little project called Rocko’s Modern Life. Joe Murray and Nick Jennings, now both working solid in the cartoon industry. I auditioned for Rocko’s Modern Life and got it.

PLUME: And became Rocko…

ALAZRAQUI: And became Rocko.

PLUME: What was it initially about standup comedy that drew you in?

ALAZRAQUI: Um, I think just the attention, you know, and thinking I could be famous and big and attract women and all those kinda things. It wasn’t necessarily that I would transition to anything worthwhile per se, but then, there was a possibility of sitcoms and all those sort of things, and making money while not having a real job….

PLUME: This is during the late 80s comedy boom…

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah. It was pretty fascinating in San Francisco – just a wealth of talent, you know? You had Tom Kenny and Warren Thomas and Rob Schneider and Chris Titus and Michael Prichard. and Robin Williams would drop in every once in a while, and you had Paula Poundstone, Marsha Warfield and… all these people. It was amazing.

PLUME: At that point in time in San Francisco, what was the club scene like?

ALAZRAQUI: It was amazing. It was at its pinnacle in 1989. We had five clubs going. We had the Holy City Zoo, the Other Café, the Punch Line, the Improv, and Cobbs.

PLUME: I’m assuming that it was practically straight out of school that you started.

ALAZRAQUI: In college, actually. I started in Sacramento State. I was doing a little standup there. I did some mime with the teacher, and I got in a comedy duo at a place called the Metro Bar and Grill. Worked on that for about a year. Then I did some hosting at Laughs Unlimited. And then in ’87 I decided to move to San Francisco.

PLUME: So what was the duo act like?

ALAZRAQUI: It was fun. It was a lot of stupid sketches. We did William F. Buckley interviewing Floyd the Barber from the Andy Griffith Show on Central American policy.

PLUME: And which one did you play?

ALAZRAQUI: I played Floyd the Barber. We did Nixon talking to a gorilla at the zoo. We did Ronald Reagan getting pulled over for a speeding ticket by Jimmy Carter. You know, at that time it was the mid 80s… you know, ’85. It was very SNL-like. One of our favorite bits was singing “White Christmas” by Devo. Put bowls on our heads and fake glasses and did this little “White Christmas” parody. And so we just did a bunch of little, quick little sketches.

PLUME: I have to know – was your Floyd the Barber based on the original Floyd, or Eugene Levy doing Floyd the Barber?

ALAZRAQUI: It was based on the original. Even though I was a huge SCTV fan, it was still based on the original from the show.

PLUME: So does any footage exist of any of these shows?

ALAZRAQUI: I might have a video or two somewhere. It does still exist.

PLUME: When was the last time you actually looked at them?

ALAZRAQUI: Oh, probably six, eight years ago or something.

PLUME: So looking back at those videos and those performances, how would you view the performer you were then?

ALAZRAQUI: Amateurish. But fun. Lotta energy. “This kid’s got a lot of energy.” Very green. But good energy.

PLUME: What was your confidence level like at that time?

ALAZRAQUI: Pretty good, because I’m fairly athletic. I played soccer and I ran track and, you know, I had a cute girlfriend… so I was pretty confident. Although not confident to be on my own, so I liked being in a duo.

PLUME: At what point did you realize the duo was something you’d moved beyond?

ALAZRAQUI: I think around ’86, when I got a chance to be in this comedy competition by myself, because my partner didn’t like the owner of the club and I was doing pretty well. And that’s the point I realized, like, “Yeah, I could probably go farther on my own.” ‘Cause my work ethic was a little stronger at that time.

PLUME: Did you get the feeling that it was more of a hobby to him?

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah. At the time. Didn’t have the drive, I thought.

PLUME: And where is he now?

ALAZRAQUI: I don’t know. Mark Frazee. Very talented guy. Played music and really just a cool guy and, I don’t know. I think he’s travelin’ elsewhere to maybe be creative in different ways and maybe be a parent, at that time, and pursue that kind of… life.

PLUME: So this is like the third partner that Penn & Teller had in the early 80s.

ALAZRAQUI: Exactly.

PLUME: How big a decision was it for you to actually make the move up to San Francisco?

ALAZRAQUI: It was big. It was my friend and I, John Boyle. We were the first pioneers from Sacramento to move to San Francisco. I think we led a wave after that. People knew that you could do it, you know? And it was big. It was February of ’87, and I had gone into the city to visit a friend, and fell in love with it. Even though I used to go as a kid all the time. And having him go with me was great. We lived in this little converted garage apartment, and it was just dark and dank and moldy all the time, and it was probably 700 square feet. Two people in one separate room with a small moldy bathroom and about two cabinets and a kitchenette.

PLUME: So you really felt like a performer at that point.

ALAZRAQUI: Oh yeah. We had a Russian landlord named Boris. It was awesome, man.

PLUME: See, that’s the kind of things that inform and forge a performer.

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah, and I was working at two different health clubs at the time, ’cause my major was in recreation administration. I had worked in a health club and done my internships there. So I was working behind the sports desk and teaching Nautilus, so I’d ride by bike across Golden Gate Park and teach there on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and Monday/Wednesday/Fridays I’d work the sports desk at Telegraph Hill Club. Which is a really nice health club.

PLUME: How much actual performance time would you be able to fit into that schedule?

ALAZRAQUI: Five days a week. ‘Cause I’d do that in the morning, take naps in the afternoon, and go out at night.

PLUME: How would you describe your act at that point?

ALAZRAQUI: Getting better, you know? ‘Cause I was emulating all the San Francisco acts that I was watching at the time, so it was getting better and more clever, because the San Francisco scene demanded it.

PLUME: What would the act actually consist of? Was it more observational, was it character-based, or…

ALAZRAQUI: Character-based. I remember doing Larry Bud Melman singing “I’m So Excited” by the Pointer Sisters, when Larry Bud Melman was big.

PLUME: Oh come on, when did he ever stop being big?

ALAZRAQUI: True.

PLUME: What were the audiences like at that point? Because obviously the comedy boom was going strong at that time, and a lot of people really hadn’t been exposed to standup, and particularly that sort of unique brand of standup that wasn’t just joke telling.

ALAZRAQUI: The audience was collected, very discerning. They could be tough if you were at the Holy City Zoo. Unforgiving. If you weren’t clever enough, you know? So they were good, but hard sometimes.

PLUME: Were there any times that they actually rocked your confidence?

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah… yeah. The thing to do in San Francisco was to perform at the Other Café or out of town in Napa, or in Walnut Creek and feel good, and then go to the Holy City Zoo and do your second set that night and get shot down to earth again. ‘Cause it’s this teeny little pub with just wine and beer, it’s where Robin Williams was the legend, and it sat about 80 people, and it’s mostly comics and people off the street, and so it was a hard, hard room to do. You couldn’t be bigger than the room. So you’re stuff some times would not fly at the Zoo.

PLUME: Is there anything that you still regret didn’t fly, or did you eventually get everything to work out in some way?

ALAZRAQUI: Nah, but the things that didn’t fly I don’t regret ’cause it made me stronger. A better comedian, I think.

PLUME: How caustic would the audience get? Were they a rowdy audience, or sort of apathetic…

ALAZRAQUI: The silence was bad. It’s like “mmmmmm”… or comics talking. You know? So it was not the rowdiness, it was the lack of noise from the audience that frightened me more.

PLUME: So, really, an apathetic response was more terrifying and demoralizing.

ALAZRAQUI: Exactly.

PLUME: Every comedy scene seems to have one – who was the comic that everyone looked up to as the one that was gonna rocket out of the scene?

ALAZRAQUI: Gosh, you know, we all thought Tom Kenny at the time… Warren Thomas was brilliant. Jeremy Kramer. Rob Schneider a little bit…

PLUME: That was a year or two before he was snatched for SNL, wasn’t it?

ALAZRAQUI: Yes. Dana Gould, we thought was brilliant. Dana writes for The Simpsons now.

PLUME: Was there any point where you actually considered a different path? Or was it once you had actually gotten into that world, that was the only thing you were gonna continue to pursue?

ALAZRAQUI: That was something I was gonna continue to pursue.

PLUME: Was there any point that you felt like walking away?

ALAZRAQUI: I think doing some of those first road gigs. When you’re an emcee on the road and making no money, and people love the other acts more and you’re lonely. There were times like that, like in Albuquerque, when I was sleeping on a couch and spending more than I was making.

PLUME: And who’s couch was it, the manager’s? Is that one of those comedy flop houses that Bill Maher described?

ALAZRAQUI: As it were, yeah. All the other acts would come over and smoke pot or get high, and I was totally clean, maybe a drink or two, and I’d have bronchitis with no health plan so I’d have to wait ’til I worked in San Diego and go across the border to get arithromiacin I knew what I needed – I just couldn’t afford a doctor.

PLUME: How wonderful.

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah.

PLUME: And I know the feeling. As a freelance writer, I know the feeling.

ALAZRAQUI: Oh yeah.

PLUME: There must have also been that kind of feeling towards the early 90s, when the scene started drying up.

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah. Yeah, because there were fewer clubs, the competition was greater. So you really had to do well and there was a lot more pressure.

PLUME: How much of a break, then, was Rocko?

ALAZRAQUI: Incredible. You know? Just that I could somehow break into this world and make money doing this. It was fantastic.

PLUME: Now was that the first time you had actually done voice work?

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah, pretty much.

PLUME: So it was really just hitting the ball out of the park on the first up to bat.

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah. Luck.

PLUME: What was the learning curve for you going into a studio for the first time?

ALAZRAQUI: Um, pretty severe. I was working with – you know, it was Tom Kenny’s first cartoon, but we were working with Charlie Adler, who’s now a really big director, and he was an amazing voiceover guy at the time, and he was just awesome. So I learned from him really quickly, and watching Tom and the other actors that we had. So that was a real fun, organic experience, Rocko’s Modern Life, and actually Joe Murray and Mark O’Hare and Tom Kenny and I and Doug Lawrence, from Rocko, are now working on Camp Lazlo on Cartoon Network.

PLUME: And you can definitely feel the same vibe to that.

ALAZRAQUI: Yeah, we know each other so well. Rocko‘s very special. I learned a lot very quickly.

PLUME: And you also have a writing credit on Rocko, right?

ALAZRAQUI: Uh, I may have a small writing credit for a bowling episode we did.

July 3, 2006

Interview: Russell T. Davies

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 6:32 am

-By Ken Plume

doctorwho-20060703-01.jpgWhen most creative people view the re-launch of a venerable franchise as a 1,2,3 process of simply wiping out what came before and starting from scratch, it takes a delicate hand – and an often harrowing leap of faith – to decide to revitalize a franchise while still keeping its previous continuity intact.

It’s rare that such an endeavor proves successful, but just such a creative miracle was achieved by Russell T. Davies, executive producer the rejuvenated Doctor Who.

Re-launched last year on the BBC to critical praise and fan approval, the Doctor’s adventures pulled in huge audiences of both old and new fans of all ages, proving that you don’t always have to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

Starring Christopher Eccleston as the time traveling Doctor (the ninth in a line that’s included the legendary Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton, Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker, Peter Davison, William Hartnell, and Paul McGann) and Billie Piper as faithful and feisty companion Rose Tyler, it’s amazing how well it all pulled together.

The first series just wrapped up its debut airing on the Sci-Fi Channel here in the US, while the second series reaches its conclusion this weekend in the UK. You can pick up the complete first series on DVD this week from BBC Home Video, which is loaded with commentaries, documentaries, and more.

Quick Stop got a chance to chat with Russell Davies about Who past, present, and future.

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KEN PLUME: Going back a couple of years, if you were to describe the goals you wanted to accomplish going into the new version of Doctor Who, what would those goals be?

doctorwho-20060703-02.jpgRUSSELL T. DAVIES: Well, the main goal, which we achieved, was to – and it’s different in this country than to your country – but to create a science fiction show for a prime time terrestrial slot… which I think is true of America, as well.  A lot of stuff gets into sort of niche channeling and slots for subscription markets – which are very, very popular in their own right – but I think that’s in danger of taking science fiction out of the mainstream and almost sort of preaching to the converted.  So right from the start we knew we were given *the* prime time slot on British television, which is a Saturday night.  I don’t think Saturday night is such a big battleground in America.

KP: In fact, I think it’s a dead night in America.

DAVIES: You watch! They’ll revive it soon!  I give you three years, and it’ll become a battleground as they fill… that’s what broadcasters do – they fill every available slot, so it won’t stay like that for long, I’ll say. So we knew that we were up against the British version of the slots that go to X Factor, Pop Idol – they’re the big huge slots.  That’s where we play our version of American Idol.  That’s where we play all our big entertainment shows and things like that.  But I was determined to make a science fiction show that wasn’t niche.  That got a whole new generation of people watching.  That got audiences that don’t watch science fiction to tune in – ’cause you could sort of more or less guarantee that that standard science fiction demographic would turn in.

KP: Right, that base level…

DAVIES: Yes, bless them. I thought the faithful few would be there, anyway.  And that worked.  That was what we set out to do, and we’ve got always got these aims and ambitions that very rarely work but that one did! (laughing)

KP: So, basically, you were looking for an Ant & Dec killer.

DAVIES: Yeah, well… no, we went up against Ant & Dec.  What was absolutely lovely was that they kept their audience. We got a bigger audience, but we didn’t actually rob any of the audience of Ant & Dec.

KP: So you created an audience.

DAVIES: I think television is healthy when channels all supplement each other and are not stealing from each other.

KP: That’s definitely not how TV has worked for the past couple of decades.

DAVIES: (laughing) No, exactly.

KP: It’s good to know that you actually brought an audience in who wouldn’t otherwise have been watching that evening.

DAVIES: Yes.  ‘Cause otherwise, you know, niche viewing gets smaller and smaller and smaller and more adult and more and more exclusive, and no program should be like that, I think.  No program whatsoever.

KP: Which is not to say that the Doctor couldn’t every once in a while give away a car…

DAVIES: Give away a car! (laughing) Well, on the BBC – no advertising.  No ad breaks. None at all.

KP: Well, it’d just have to be a generic car.

DAVIES: (laughing) Exactly!

KP:  Give away the Who-mobile or something.

DAVIES: (laughing) You do know your stuff!

 

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KP: On a personal level, what did you want to accomplish, story-wise? 

DAVIES: Well, story-wise I was always absolutely determined that it was the same story. That it was the same doctor and the same Tardis having the same adventures.  I didn’t want it to be a reboot.  I wanted it to be a very a continuation of the 40 year history of a great institution.  You know if you do something like Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes you tend to do it from scratch.  It’s what you do very well with Superman. You reboot it and start it from scratch every decade or so.

KP: That’s because we have no sense of history…

DAVIES: Yes, well, I thought that was impossible with the Doctor because he always… even within the show’s previous history, you always change his face so often. So whoever we cast as the Doctor would be seen as the ninth Doctor by the newspapers and by the media.  No matter what we did it would be impossible for us to say this is the first Doctor.  And plus, I love that old show and I wanted to continue it rather than write over it.  So very subtly I wanted to do that without hitting people over the head with lots of continuity or baggage and stuff like that, and again we pulled that off as well.  You know, because it wouldn’t be very welcoming for a new audience otherwise.  And you’ve got to remember that in this country, Doctor Who was partly loved but partly had a terrible reputation.  I love the old show, but its memory – it was remembered as a program that was cheap and somewhat silly and somewhat lightweight and a bit of a sort of kid’s run around, and I wanted to make it proper drama and give it proper standards, proper production standards and proper heart, and just welcome everyone in that way. So it was hard work to salvage the program’s reputation.

doctorwho-20060703-04.jpgKP: Well, the UK has Tom Baker, and we have William Shatner.

DAVIES: (laughing)! Do you think we’re better off?

KP: You know what, I’d like to see the two of them go head-to-head for an interview program.

DAVIES: I’d like to see the two of them kissing.  (laughing)!

KP: You know what?  You need to produce When William Shatner met Tom Baker

DAVIES: Can you imagine?  That would be brilliant! (laughing)!

KP: “One came from the US, one from the UK. They met. They fell in love…”

DAVIES: (laughing) It’s a classic boy meets boy story.

KP: I think you’re sold on this…

DAVIES: (laughing)!

KP: Forget Torchwood – here’s your spin-off.

DAVIES: Exactly.

KP: What was the biggest pitfall you saw in the re-launch?  The thing that you were desperate to try and avoid that you actually saw as a valid thing that could happen, despite all your best intentions?

DAVIES: I think the… whoo, there’s many, many pitfalls to avoid.  It’s a very careful balancing act with Doctor Who, which is to not make it look silly.  I think a lot of people just consider science fiction to be silly, and sort of all monsters running around. But at the same time – at exactly the same time – to keep Doctor Who‘s absolutely unique sense of humor.  Because I think that is a unique property.  There’s no point in replicating other shows… Shows like Stargate are excellent, but they have a very macho, military, hard-ass feel to them.  And Doctor Who is more charming and more witty and more eccentric.  So it’s to keep that lightness without being seen as a send-up, and it’s a very difficult balance act.  We have very good writers and a production team who pulled that off, really.

KP: The fascinating thing is you also made a show that is watchable by children and families.

DAVIES: Yes, absolutely.  Very much inspired by – I’m a very big fan of those modern cinema family blockbusters like Toy Story and Shrek. and stuff like that, and Harry Potter even.  I knew that families would gather ’round our stuff the way they gather around those.  I thought if we could make every episode that big each week, that much of an event each week, with the backing of a great big BBC publicity machine behind us as well, that there is a great family audience out there.  They were plainly and clearly going to the cinema.  I go ’round my friends’ houses and mum and dad would sit there with the kids and we’d watch Finding Nemo.  And everyone in the room would love it.  So that audience was clearly up for grabs, and had been completely neglected in the UK, and programs like that weren’t being made since Doctor Who. There’s 37 million of them coming along, because we proved that it can be done.

KP: Which is not to say that you haven’t tried to do it over the years.

DAVIES: Oh absolutely.  I’ve tried, and plenty of these new shows coming along will try and fail, bless them, but it’s exciting.  As a result of Doctor Who, there’s a new version of Robin Hood coming along by the BBC, which I’m really looking forward to.  I think that’s very exciting. I’ll be sitting watching that…

KP: It’s interesting that you have, over the course of your career… and I say this having just watched the Unscripted documentary, that this is definitely a genre that you’ve tried to resuscitate over the years.

DAVIES: Yes, I suppose so.  I mean, really I just keep moving genres all the time. When it was first announced that I was doing it, every tabloid newspaper announced that a gay man was going to do children’s programming…

KP: Obviously people who didn’t know the production history of Doctor Who

DAVIES: Yeah, exactly. But there were plenty of headlines saying “Doctor Queer” and stuff like that, and the entire press lined up to sort of say that a gay man couldn’t possibly do this – and, as ever, I proved them wrong. Hurray!

KP: I thought it was quite ludicrous just how far the press went in trying to make that an issue.

DAVIES: Oh, I’m used to it.  I’m used to it, and not one of them’s ever stopped me yet.

KP: The proof is in the pudding.

DAVIES: Absolutely, yes.

 

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KP: The new Who has become a template. Over here in the US, there’s been a lot of failed relaunch attempts of various old shows… 

DAVIES: Oh yes, it’s a potentially deadly battleground.  There were plenty of people saying we were doomed to fail.  But I knew… because I loved the old show.  I still love the old show, and I knew how good it could be.  I never doubted that it could work.  But that’s no guarantee that you will actually make it work, because it’s much more complicated than that.  Everyone sets out to make a successful program, everyone wants everyone to watch – very few of them get through.  So we tried and somehow everything was in the right place this time.

KP: It really shows when you sit down and watch the program, that it’s coming from a position and a point of love and respect for the concept.

DAVIES: Yes, we truly have a team where everyone is dedicated to it.  It’s quite extraordinary, actually, and it is a British cultural thing.  There’s a genuine love of it, and there were hundreds of people on that show. You know what a film set is like, and it’s like they’re all putting in extra hours, extra bit of work – the design team particularly, especially the computer graphics people, are people who grew up with Doctor Who, who grew up loving science fiction, and it’s genuinely loved by the people making it.  And by its executives. The support we get from the head of drama is quite extraordinary.  She loves it.  She absolutely loves it.  So we’re in a very, very lucky position and we all know that.

KP: Was there any reticence on their part when you came to them saying, “I want to do a continuation, not a wholesale revamp of this…”?

DAVIES: No, they got me in, and again – I know I’m very, very lucky. They trusted me completely.  They didn’t get me in to give me 27 rules. They got me in to tell them how to bring it back.

KP: Was it known from the very beginning that the season would end with a regeneration?

DAVIES: Yes. It was always a possibility, and we discussed that right from the start.  Things could have changed and we kept everything fluid as we went along, but yeah, things happened as we planned them.

KP: Was it always your intention that David (Tennant) would be the replacement?

DAVIES: No, we didn’t know that until we were casting properly.  I mean, fortunately Julie Gardner, who’s the other executive producer, and I had just worked with David – while we were making Doctor Who – on a production of Casanova, which was the first time we’d ever met him or knew him.  I remember right at the beginning of Doctor Who his name was mentioned, and none of us knew who he was. (laughing) Gotta be honest, bless him! He wouldn’t mind me saying that!  So while we were doing Doctor Who, we worked with him at the same time and just loved him.  Plus it saved us having to do a great big casting call, because that would have been a nightmare, I think.  We were able to do it very quietly and very discreetly, so it was very, very lucky.

KP: So really, after 20 years, you made his career…

DAVIES: (laughing)!  Don’t say that!

KP: No Harry Potter if it wasn’t for you…

DAVIES: (laughing) Exactly…

 

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KP:  Going into it, was it a transition that you were worried about, that, “Hey, we’ve got a winning formula, how is this going to affect it?”… 

DAVIES: Yes, sure… you always worry about everything. You worry about every new episode, to be honest, because the thing about Doctor Who is it’s very different every week, so every week you’re sitting there thinking, “Will people like this one?”  But we have to do it.  We’re confident.  We have to hope that it would work.  And the fact that it has has been brilliant.  But you never know.  You just try and do the best, really.

KP: It’s amazing – from someone who knew Doctor Who and knew the mythos but wasn’t fully invested in it over the years, to go into this with a knowing but fresh eye and be swept up in it… You really pulled it off for me. You’ve been able to carry on and reintroduce concepts with a spin, but have it still be valid – it continues to impress me, when I’ve seen so many other series crash and burn.

DAVIES: Yes, it’s easily done.  We keep a very close eye on it.  The nice thing is that after the success of the first year, not one of us relaxes.  We thought there would be time to relax, but we really haven’t.  And obviously the episode going out this week, coming on Saturday, you must download it as soon as it’s available. It’s astonishing. It’s absolutely lovely.

KP: Well, the preview alone already has me energized.  I really did enjoy last week’s episode.

DAVIES: Lovely, wasn’t it?  That’s what I mean by Doctor Who‘s charm. It’s a very charming episode, that one.

KP: I keep hoping you have some kind of American episode that doesn’t involve some crazy industrialist… 

DAVIES: (laughing)!

KP: You know, we’re not all mad…

DAVIES: We’ve got Captain Jack.  He’s American. He’s gorgeous. Bisexual. Fantastic.

KP: Yes, but we haven’t seen him for six episodes…

DAVIES: But we’re building a whole show around him. Don’t worry. We hope to sell that to the States as well, with a bit of luck.

KP: I’m sure eventually we’ll find out he’s from Canada.

DAVIES: (laughing)!  He’s not, though.  Bless him.

KP: Speaking of Torchwood, is that still slated to come out next year?

DAVIES: I think it’s going out at the end of this year, actually. I lose track of things like that, but no, it should go out on… yes it is.  Ah, October, end of October, something like that.  I think that’s the plan.

KP: Oh, excellent.

DAVIES: Yes, but it’s on target for that.  Of course they always shift things and change their minds and move things around, so that’s beyond my authority, but we’re on schedule for that, anyway.

KP: And honestly, since you’ve toyed around with people so much, do you have any intention whatsoever of bringing Liz Sladen back?

DAVIES: Oh bless her, I don’t know.  I mean, that was a beautiful one-off episode, but I don’t think you’d spoil it if she met the doctor again somehow, I think.

KP: Or if she was involved in a potential spin-off show you’re working on…

DAVIES: If we have time. If we have the living time to do that…

KP: It’ll run for years, come on….

DAVIES: (laughing)!

doctorwho-20060703-07.jpgKP: So now you’ve reintroduced the Daleks rather spectacularly…

DAVIES: Yes.

KP: You reintroduced the Cybermen rather spectacularly… That really only leaves on other villainous cornerstone…

DAVIES: Oh, which one’s that then?  Oh, the Master?

KP: The Master.

DAVIES: Oh right, no there’s a few. There’s Ice Warriors…

KP: But as far as the ones everyone remembers…

DAVIES: I’m not too keen on the Master, myself.  I remember when I was a kid he was probably my least favorite villain.  So I think I do believe in bringing back all the great icons of the series, but I think that if we’re gonna bring him back, we need to think very carefully about how to do it because he can be a bit of a moustache twirler sometimes – and that’s exactly what you want, but…

KP: I have to admit I was a bit disappointed when I saw “School Reunion,” because I thought, “You know, Tony Head would have been great as the Master, in the way he played that role”…

DAVIES: What a lovely man.  What an absolute delight to work with, that man.  I’ve admired him from afar.  Watched everything every single episode of Buffy all those years, but you don’t know what the man’s gonna be like until he actually arrives. He’s charming.  Absolutely gorgeous.

KP: I did a six hour interview with him a few years back.

DAVIES: Did you? He’s lovely, isn’t he?  Very clever, very witty, very wise.

KP: And amazing the stories he’ll tell when he’s giving an interview at the pub.

DAVIES: (laughing) I think I had a couple of them but maybe not as many as you.  Lovely man.  That’s one of the lovely things about working on this show, is getting to meet people like that. 

KP: Of course, who knows, in Doctor Who anyone can return in any form.

DAVIES: Absolutely. He was very popular. There are no plans, I must admit. There are no plans to bring him back, but he was wonderful.

KP: And Stephen Fry’s episode has been moved back to the next series?

DAVIES: Yes, the next series. Filming on series three starts in four and a half week’s time.

KP: Well, that’s good to know you’re starting on another series.

DAVIES: Yes. Oh, brilliant, yes. We’re very happy.

KP: Any hints as far as what can be expected for the third series?

DAVIES: No, it’s too early to start hinting about that, really. 

KP: Any ideas of where you want to go?

DAVIES: Oh yeah, it’s all storylined.  We’ve got about seven scripts underway and… more, probably… Eight scripts underway, actually.  So it’s all laid out and patterned and I know exactly what’s… I can tell you the ending of series three right now, but I’m not going to.

KP: But, I’m so nice…

DAVIES: (laughing)!  You could be sitting there naked in a bucket for all I know!

KP: Is that how you’re envisioning me?

DAVIES: (laughing)! It helps with the vocal piece!

KP: Whatever makes it easy.  It seems, with a 13 episode run, that there’s so much you want to do that things get a bit rushed towards the end.

DAVIES: Yeah, do you think?

KP: The last season, the Bad Wolf reveal didn’t strike me as wholly satisfying.

DAVIES: Well, that’s tough, Ken.

KP: I’m not saying it in an accusatory fashion…

DAVIES: No, I have to say, we loved it.

KP: Do you feel straight-jacketed in any way about, “I wish we had a little more time to tell story…”?

DAVIES: No, no… absolutely not, no.  It’s enough doing these episodes as it is.

KP: So you can’t ever envision doing a 26 episode series?

DAVIES: Oh no, thank you. Blimey.  No, we just wouldn’t have time to… admittedly wouldn’t have time.  The performing hours are very different over here. It’s like, I know things like Buffy and all those big shows, Angel – I know you do 22, 24 episodes a year, but your filming hours are extraordinary.  In fact, you will film 16 hours a day to get it shot because you have different union rules and rules about overtime and stuff like that.  We don’t. It’s an 11 hour filming day over here and that’s the end, and you do not film beyond that.  So we literally don’t have the scope to film like the Americans do. It’s illegal over here.

KP: Which leads to you not having the burnout rate we do…

DAVIES: No, I suppose so.  Well, I wouldn’t know, ’cause there’s no chance to burn out like that.  You literally cannot do it! (laughing)

KP: Can you ever envision doing an American show?

DAVIES: Oh, I suppose so, yes.  I mean, I had a fair bit of contact with that lovely team that did the version of Queer as Folk for Showtime, Ron Cowan, and it was a very exciting seeing them work and seeing the writer’s room and that sort of stuff.  So it’s attractive, yes.

KP: But not something that you foresee for the immediate future.

DAVIES: No, no I’m too busy.  I’m 43 years old, and it’d be a little bit like starting from scratch, you know? You bang on the door of American studios and they’d say, “Who the hell are you?” I’m getting a little bit old in the tooth to start from scratch.

KP: But you can’t tell me that they’re not banging on the door to get you.

DAVIES: No, they’re not actually.  None of them do.

KP: From what I’ve heard it’s doing very well on the Sci-Fi Channel…

DAVIES: That’s what they say.  I hope so, yes. It’s an unusual little show for Sci-Fi, and they’ve been very nice to us.  They’ve been very lovely to work with, actually, so I hope it works for them, because they deserve payback for the faith they’ve given us.

KP: It was faith they gave after realizing that they made a mistake not picking you up in the first place.

DAVIES: (laughing) I don’t know what happened there.

KP: Don’t worry – I’m not making you say that, I’m saying that.  There must be other projects besides the Doctor Who universe you want to do…

DAVIES: Oh, there are.  There’s a few things on hold for the moment.  I won’t do this forever, but at the same time it’s such a big set up.  We just moved to a brand new dedicated studio for Doctor Who and Torchwood, which is massive and huge and providing an awful lot of employment in South Wales, so it’s not a project I’m about to walk out of quickly.  Partly because I love it, and I think on British television I won’t have the chance to write anything like this stuff again.  But partly because of this huge investment in South Wales.  You know, South Wales is not a big television-making capital.  But we’re making it so with these programs, and work creates work.  We get other programs to follow us here, and that’s happening already.  So it’s not something to walk out on quickly. But at the end of the day, there’s a million shows that I want to write that wouldn’t fit into Doctor Who‘s brief or Doctor Who‘s universe at all. So like everyone, I’ll move on in the end.

KP: At what point would you realize it was time to move on?

DAVIES: I suppose really when I feel like I’m missing out on other work, to be honest.  When I see my peers writing stuff in 9:00 slots and 10:00 slots that I envy.  Because I absolutely love the Doctor Who world, but there’s certain things you simply cannot write in it.  And neither should you.  You shouldn’t impose it on Doctor Who.  So I could literally, when I get itchy feet – not at the moment – but there are various things lined up and they’re simply waiting.  I have people saying, “Well, just come back to us in a couple years when you’re ready.”  So I’ll let that filter down.  I’m literally enjoying it too much. Literally, we just finished episode 9 at the moment.  Episode 8 goes out on Saturday. I’ve just come from the meetings on the dub of episode nine, and I could not be more happy with the piece of work. I just think it’s absolutely stunning. But when you come out of something buzzing like that, you think, “Well, why look for work elsewhere?”  This is lovely.

KP: Well, you’ve done a fantastic job so far, against all odds…

DAVIES: Bless you, sir.

 

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KP: And one geeky question that I’m being forced to ask you… 

DAVIES: (laughing)!  There’s someone else in the bucket with you, isn’t there?

KP: Yes, there’s someone else in the bucket.  It’s a rather large bucket, actually…

DAVIES: Hurray!

KP: They’re like that in America…

DAVIES: (laughing)

KP: One of the other staples of the past Doctor Who run was the occasion to run into previous doctors…

DAVIES: Yes.  I’m not too keen on that, I’ve got to say, because… I mean, if the perfect idea came along… I always tend to find that you’re watching the actors, not the Doctor.  I sort of think everything that happens to the Doctor and Rose should feel like something that you can correspond with yourself.  You know, when they’re in danger, when there’s fear, when there’s great love between them – you can feel that as an audience.  Meeting a different version of yourself doesn’t correspond in any sort of human equation.  You’re sitting there thinking, “Well, that’s never gonna happen to me.”  So it’s the one area where I tend to find it becomes a television show in inverted commas when they do that. I think it’s a little bit self-aware.

KP: And considering the aging factor of some of the actors…

DAVIES: Well, there is that, as well.

KP: Is there a potential, though, for them to play other roles?

DAVIES: I’m not too keen on that.  None of us has ever suggested that, because again, it becomes terribly self aware then.

KP: I noticed how quickly you shuttled off K-9.

DAVIES: Ah.  No, I love K-9.  I love it. It’s gorgeous.

KP: At least you gave licensees the ability to make new K-9 products.

DAVIES: (laughing) I’ve got one!

KP: Well I don’t want to keep you. I know you have a lot more to do today.

DAVIES: Bless you, Ken.

KP: I appreciate it, and I look forward to speaking with you in the future.  And remember, no more bad Americans!

DAVIES: (laughing) Okay!
 

June 30, 2006

Interview: Amy Sedaris & Paul Dinello

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 5:24 am

-By Ken Plume 

strangers-20060630-01.jpgI pity those that have yet to discover the comedic genius of the late, lamented Strangers with Candy. Created by Paul Dinello, Amy Sedaris, and Stephen Colbert, Strangers was a gloriously bent skewering of the afterschool specials that browbeat my entire generation with poorly acted morality plays and treacly lessons learned. The series revolved around the “loser and abuser” Jerri Blank (Amy Sedaris), a middle-aged high school student just trying to make it through life.

Jerri Blank and the twisted world of Flatpoint High makes its big screen debut this week (you can find out when it’s coming to your town by clicking here), and we got a chance to hook up an impromptu phone line to a vacationing Amy Sedaris and Paul Dinello.

Unfortunately, Stephen Colbert was simply far too important to talk to us, instead sending a small fruit basket and a note marked “Please watch the Colbert Report on Comedy Central. Love, Steven”. The fact that his name was misspelled on the card leads me to believe that it was an intern who sent the basket, completely ruining the sentiment and making the pineapple taste oh so bitter.

Still, Amy and Paul were kind enough to give us their time, even if it meant taking away from their restful holiday – which may or may not have been a lie meant to make an interviewer believe they weren’t in fact sitting in a room doing a slew of press interviews.

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KEN PLUME: Hello, can you hear me fine?

PAUL DINELLO: Yeah. Hold on a second, I’m gonna sit closer to Amy’s head.

KP: Sure.

DINELLO: Okay, go ahead.

AMY SEDARIS: Hello?

KP: Hello?

SEDARIS: Sorry if it’s a little choppy.

KP: Not a problem. Can you hear me fine?

SEDARIS: Yes.

DINELLO: We’re on a fishing excursion.

KP: Well that’s good. I hope that the fishing’s good.

DINELLO: Yeah. We’re fishing for mackerel.

KP: Is this the time of year for that?

DINELLO: Probably not, since we haven’t caught anything.

KP: I’m sorry to interrupt such a good fishing trip and what I’m sure is a nice beautiful day.

SEDARIS: Actually, it’s gorgeous here.

KP: I should hurry up and get this out of the way so you can get back to hopefully a productive day.

SEDARIS: Okay.

DINELLO: Okay.

KP: If I were to have one question… and first of all it’s a pleasure speaking with you both finally… what was the biggest difficulty you had in adapting a TV show that was tailor made to parody the conventions of the very much TV-based Afterschool Specials, into a feature film?

DINELLO: Ooooh…

SEDARIS: Seeing Jerri’s ugly face going from a small to a big screen. That’s gonna be kinda scary, tonin’ her down. Um… what was the biggest challenge? What would you say, Paul? The writing structure?

DINELLO: Finding more of a story. You can get away with a lot more in 22 minutes. You need less of an arc, and you need less character development, because you get out so quickly that they don’t know what hit ’em. With a film, you know, you have to pay more attention to story. Not that we did, but supposedly you should pay more attention to story, and the peaks and valleys of (laughing)… you know, of the tone of the movie.

 

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KP: Going back about 2-1/2 years when I spoke with Stephen (Colbert), you were just starting to write the film. He mentioned that it was not a challenge that he was particularly looking forward to, that it would be a difficult thing. Did it prove to be a difficult thing?

SEDARIS: It’s all about having his three kids, too.

DINELLO: Yeah, he says that on everything. He’s a coward.

KP: Yeah, well that explains a lot. That’s why he isn’t doing press today.  

DINELLO: That’s right. He’s afraid.

SEDARIS: It’s family day.

KP: Isn’t every day family day at the Colbert home?

SEDARIS: Yeah. Except on Monday, I think.

KP: That’s just his day.

SEDARIS: Yeah.

KP: Did it prove to be a difficult thing to try and find that structure that would carry through 90 minutes?

DINELLO: I mean it, it wasn’t a difficult script to write. We had, I think, at one point 300 pages. We had plenty of ideas. Most of it’s just fear. I guess the biggest challenge was to stay truthful. You like to stay true to the television show, because there’s a lot of core fans. And we liked what we did on the television. Just stay true to that, and then find something new and cinematic to do.

KP: How soon did the idea of making it a prequel to the series happen?

DINELLO: Well, you know, we really just started from the beginning almost. Like we had scenes where Jerri was being born and all the way through her old age, so we covered her whole life, and then I just sorta chopped out what I thought would work. It occurred to us that Jerri seems better with a sort of shady past, and not getting too much information about it. I mean like what she references… you know, that party she has…

SEDARIS: Like the donkey with Ramon – rather than see the actual donkey scene, sometimes it’s better just to be like, well, what does it mean when she’s like, “I hate Florida. I hate Florida.” What happened in Florida? Sometimes it’s just better to hear about it than see it.

KP: Although I must admit it was quite fun, in an extremely disturbing way, to finally see her in prison.

DINELLO: Oh good! Well, we actually had a whole… well, it still exists, but there was a whole shot with her living in prison, but then…

SEDARIS: Tell him why it’s not in the movie…

DINELLO: No, I mean, the real reason we decided to do a montage with sort of a… a short montage with a nicer introduction than…

KP: You just wanted to increase screen time for your role, is what you’re saying.  

SEDARIS: Ha ha ha!

DINELLO: Right. More Jellineck – less Blank.

KP: I mean it’s really what the entire show came down to after a while, it was just you and Noblet became the predominant characters.

SEDARIS: Yes, they did.

DINELLO: You gotta go with the show’s strengths, and you gotta go with what the people want. People were screaming for more Jellineck and Noblet, and we felt obligated to deliver.

strangers-20060630-04.jpgQS: Speaking of strengths, it’s amazing the kind of epic performance you can wring out of Greg Hollimon…

DINELLO: (laughing) Well, it’s a battle, I’ll say.

KP: Well, anyone watching the behind-the-scenes materials and outtakes on the DVD set will see that it’s not exactly a character that is closest to his normal personality…

SEDARIS: That’s interesting.

DINELLO: And he doesn’t have what we could call a uh…uh…

SEDARIS: Full head of hair.

DINELLO: A full head of hair, or much of a memory for dialogue.

SEDARIS: It’s hard to memorize the dialogue.

DINELLO: And it’s hard to write… but you’re right, it is.

KP: And yet you gave him no roller skating scenes.

SEDARIS: I know!

DINELLO: I know.. in hindsight…

KP: Which clearly was the one thing that he shone most brightly at during the series.

SEDARIS: I know…

DINELLO: Well he does get a little dance time over the credits, and he certainly shines there.

KP: He shines in ways that a viewer probably wishes he wouldn’t have shone.  

DINELLO: (laughing)

SEDARIS: (laughing)

KP: Amy, Jerri is such a big character to begin with on the small screen. Was there a line you had to find in regards to how big you would be in a feature version of that character?

SEDARIS: I’m a lot broader even than what you saw, and a lot of the time Paul was sort of pulling me back. You know, I forget sometimes that it’s a big screen. I just want to do the character and I forget sometimes, like, the smallest thing on screen is huge. So I was constantly reminded of that. And I think with the heat conditions it naturally slowed Jerri down a little bit. I had a lot working against me when I was doing the film, so I kinda liked the performance out of Jerri. I feel like I didn’t get a chance, in a way.

KP: I guess this would be a question for Paul – what was the most egregious breach of Amy acting within the film that you had to tone down?

SEDARIS: (laughing)

DINELLO: Well, um….

KP: See, I’m putting you on the spot now!

DINELLO: That’s alright. The um… you know, I… it’s not so far over the top. Sometimes it’s a little… well, the scene with Brason in the bedroom was… um, there was some stuff there that couldn’t be used, for various reasons.

SEDARIS: Oh really?

KP: And what were those reasons?

SEDARIS: Yeah, what were those reasons?

DINELLO: Some didn’t fit totally, and others I was just offended.

SEDARIS: Oh.

KP: There was actually stuff that went so far as to offend you (laughing)?  

DINELLO: No, I’m just kidding. It’s just, tonally, it didn’t seem to fit.

 

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KP: When you talk about this bulk of deleted footage, how much would you say was deleted?

DINELLO: There’s probably an hour of stuff I edited that’s not in the movie.

KP: Which I’m assuming will eventually make it onto the DVD release…

DINELLO: If I have anything to do with it, it will.

SEDARIS: Will the falling down the stairs be on there?

DINELLO: Yeah.

SEDARIS: Thank you.

KP: The falling down stairs?

SEDARIS: Yeah I did a bit where I threw myself down a flight of stairs, and it was really fun to do, and it got cut out of the film because you could see me trip myself up for the fall. So they cut it.

DINELLO: But it sure was funny…

KP: But isn’t that half the fun? Half the fun of the Strangers with Candy world is to see that kind of thing.

SEDARIS: Yeah, just whatever in the moment, just do it.

KP: So really, it seems like the bulk of the stuff that Paul cut was the stuff that you had fun with.

SEDARIS: Yeah. Thank you very much. I agree.

DINELLO: Well, you’ll direct the next version.

SEDARIS: (laughing)

KP: Speaking of the next step, is there anything else planned? You worked together writing Wigfield a few years back.

DINELLO: We usually try to find projects. One of us will come up with something as an excuse for the three of us to work together, so I’m sure that will happen again.

KP: Are we eventually going to see an Exit 57 DVD set?

SEDARIS: Hope not!

DINELLO: I don’t know who that would please.

KP: Well, you know, there’s one floating around on the internet right now.  

SEDARIS: Yeah. I heard about it. I should buy a copy.

KP: Well, actually, it’s freely downloaded from multiple places.

SEDARIS: Oooh.

KP: Which has, I guess, unaired material that would have been in the third season.

SEDARIS: Really…

DINELLO: Really?

KP: There’s like 40 minutes of unaired sketches on it.

SEDARIS: Wow…

 

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KP: Amy, I’ve wondered for years – what does one have to do to buy one of your baked goods?

SEDARIS: Go to Joe Coffee on Waverly and Washington, and hopefully I’ve delivered them that day. I also sell my cheese balls at Gourmet Garage, and I have a new item coming out in the fall, which is pecan logs.

KP: Are you selling any of these over the internet?

SEDARIS: No, I don’t – it’s all direct sales. I don’t deliver. Anything that involves going to the post office, I don’t want anything to do with it.

KP: So I just have to send our readers down to go pick them up in person.  

SEDARIS: Yes. To the Gourmet Garage or to Joe Coffee. And you can get a cupcake or a cheese ball.

PUBLICIST: I think that’s all the time we have.

KP: See, I went too far.

SEDARIS: You went too far. He’s mad. He’s asking about pecan logs, man. Where do you live?

KP: I’m in North Carolina.

SEDARIS: Where?

KP: I’m on the east coast just north of Wilmington.

SEDARIS: You know I’m from Raleigh.

KP: And you lost your accent.

SEDARIS: Yeah, I only get it back when it’s late and I’m talking to my little brother, who has a severe Southern accent. But how’s the weather there? Is it still raining?

KP: Actually it stopped raining yesterday, after Alberto passed through.

SEDARIS: Oh wow.

KP: So now, hopefully we don’t get anything more because it’s pretty saturated here.

SEDARIS: Oh…

KP: Hopefully you’ll come down to visit. Maybe you guys could actually do a live tour at some point.

SEDARIS: That would be fun. I’ll be there in August. I’m gonna be in North Carolina in August.

KP: Just visiting, or coming down for business?

SEDARIS: Seeing my family.

KP: Well, I hope you enjoy it. Hopefully the hurricane season will spare us this year.

SEDARIS: Yeah, hopefully, that’s right. Well, thank you so much.

KP: It was a real pleasure speaking with you both, and I hope you get that bootleg DVD set before it makes any money.

SEDARIS: Yeah (laughing), me too.

KP: I’ll talk to you soon. Thank you much.

SEDARIS: Bye!

DINELLO: Bye!

Check out some YouTube clips from the flick here:

– “My Name Is Jerry Blank
– “Go Science Team
– “This Is Nice… Family
– “First Day of School
– “It’s Over

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June 26, 2006

Interview: Tim Nett of Trailer Park and Producer of The Hollywood Reporter’s Key Art Awards

Filed under: Interviews — admin @ 5:13 am

-By Christopher Stipp; E-Mail: Christopher_Stipp@Yahoo.com; Archives? Right here…

I never, ever mean to go longer than what’s given to me.

I was given 20 minutes and I went exactly 35:46. It was hard to do because I was graciously given access to one of the largest trailer houses in all of Hollywood and the man who leads it, Tim Nett of Trailer Park.

When you think of great interviews in entertainment most people would lean probably lean towards directors of films or the actors in them. Sure, these are the kinds of individuals that bring immediacy to the material but my own inclination and interest is in that which has been my mainstay for the past two and a half years around these parts. It’s the two and a half minutes of tightly packed sizzle that aims to part you with your cash. Willingly.

And, really, that’s the magic. This is where the really good are praised in silence for developing creative ways to sell it and where the bad are recognized by their peers for going through the motions. You’ve either got the desire to be fresh or you’ve got some malaise that not even a thick voiceover or a quick cut can help.

This is where Tim steps in. At the head of a 300 person organization and one of the producers of the Hollywood Reporter’s Key Art Awards, a show that has been running for 35 years in praising the best in filmic advertising that ranges from trailers to lobby standees, which was held in Los Angeles at the Kodak Theater two weeks ago. As a person who was asked to be an official judge in this year’s 35 Years in Trailers competition I leapt at the opportunity to find out what really goes into this process of making a good trailer. Is there really a science to it? Is it as easy as just dropping in a few scenes, pop in some graphics and then spend some money on a guy to come in and voiceover it for you? I really wanted to know and acquired the answers I sought after.

You never quite know when you’re asked to talk to the CEO of a company with this much pull. It could’ve gone the way of a The McLaughlin Group round table with answers being about as politically correct as a publicist who really thinks that Shasta McNasty is so going to be the next best thing in television history. It was my pleasure to find Tim just sounded like a guy who still loves what a good trailer can do, what a good poster can prompt you to say, just a guy who you can see has to run a business, and be profitable, but who can still tell you about the people whose trailer work he still loves to watch.

I’ll always be a fan of trailers just knowing there are guys like Tim behind the wheel of quality control.


QUICK STOP: Congratulations, first of all on all of Trailer Park’s nominations at the Hollywood Reporter’s Key Art Awards.

TIM NETT: Well, thanks.

We just cleaned up at the Golden Trailers. We won a total of four, including Best of Show.

KP: Really? I have a friend who worked at Interlink, he was the one who cut the BATMAN BEGINS trailer.

NETT: What’s his name?

[Classified. Ed. Note: Sorry, it’s the nature of the beast. More on this later.]

NETT: Yeah”¦

KP: And he told me, sent me a note last weekend about why I didn’t have any coverage for The Golden Trailer award show”¦

NETT: Yeah, as soon as I said it I was thinking, “Oh, I need to talk about the Key Art Awards.” So we’re not even supposed to be talking about the other one.

(Laughs)

Just forget I even mentioned it; the competing awards show”¦

KP: Well, at least tell me what you won for.

NETT: The MISSION IMPOSSIBLE III trailer.

KP: Loved that one.

NETT: Which got, I think, Action/Summer Blockbuster and Best of Show and then we got one for the EXORCISM OF EMILY ROSE.

KP: I liked that one because of two things: 1) It was a little creepy and 2) It didn’t give away too much. Which I am finding is rarer and rarer these days.

NETT: Yeah, it is. I mean you know why it goes that way, right?

KP: Well, on that point, when I was researching you I found an interview you did with CNN and you mentioned that focus groups, the customers, who are the ones demanding, “We want more of the story. We want more of the story.”

NETT: They do! And that’s the thing about testing.

KP: Well, where are they testing these things?

NETT: Malls.

KP: Ahh”¦

NETT: Yeah, The National Research Group sets up, and I’ve never seen one, but my understanding is that they have this little room in the mall, be it an empty storefront or what have you, and they’ll have a couple of VCRs and monitors set up and then they’ll ask them questions about it.

And the questions are like, “Do you want to see this movie? What was most interesting about it?” They’ll go through and ask them what scenes they remember or what scenes had the greatest impact on them. So, there’s a part of it that’s qualitative and a part that’s quantitative.

The quantitative part is, “How many people mentioned each particular scene?” The number of scene mentions. The more scenes that are mentioned then, obviously, the greater the impact.

And the qualitative stuff that goes, “Well, they were confused by the story.” Or whatever their issue was with it.

The other piece to this is the focus groups where you stand behind a two-way mirror”¦(Laughs)”¦No, they actually have places in the Midwest and we’ll essentially sit in a room and just watch it on TV. They’ll close-circuit it.

KP: Really?

NETT: Yeah, and the thing is that focus groups are really useful for me, the focus group is way more instructional because they tell you what the deal is. You don’t have to interpret it from the data. You also get the more subtle shades of things from people when they’re talking about it rather than having to derive it from the numbers.

But you need both. A focus group is only ten people as opposed to testing which is thousands of people.

KP: Well, have you cut that portion out completely and simply go back to the studio to get their thoughts?

NETT: The thing of it is, this is not science. If we look at it and we think it looks cool, and it all depends on the movie and the studio, and the personality of the person working at the studio. Studios are more prone to going “Ah, screw it” regardless of what the testing says. The testing sometimes just helps to validate their hunches. They’re sort of mixed bag and everything in between; a little bit of data and a little bit of gut.

KP: Like you said to CNN there really doesn’t seem to be a formula for figuring these things out. You want things people will remember, you want that “Oh, cool!” factor but there seems to be a shift where even if these things are present a bad reception, ultimately, at the box office sometimes gets blamed on the advertising. Do you think that’s unfair of the studios or”¦

NETT: What I will say is that it’s sort of the cliché in the business: if it succeeds it’s the film if it fails it’s the marketing. That’s sort of the cliché.

And it’s sort of within the marketing community”¦there are some movies that you go, “Oh, we should’ve been able to open that one,” “We should’ve been able to figure that one out.”

So sometimes you do feel like you didn’t quite come up with the right package. And, frankly”¦some movies are easier to package than others.

(Laughs)

There are movies that are readily apparent how to put them together and others that take a little while to figure out what the right thing is. And it’s right there in the movie; you’re just trying to figure out what portion of that movie you’re looking to highlight.

KP: I’m thinking of movies that have turned out to be real turkeys but which had real solid trailers. Movies you thought were going to be nothing but balls-to-the-wall action. One movie I’m thinking of is DAY AFTER TOMORROW. Which sold me but left me feeling scammed after I paid for it.

NETT: You’re welcome. That was one of ours.

(I laugh)

KP: Yes! It was an absolutely brilliant trailer. The trailer may have sold me on something that wasn’t eventually there but someone took a movie that was so-so and made a trailer that led me to believe this was going to be an intense, intense flick. And, I would say, that’s the hallmark of a great marketing campaign.

NETT: And that’s the thing. There are some movies”¦that movie had some real science behind it, was easy to grasp and had a sensationalist premise. You just had to frame it and that’s what’s great about big movie movies like that.

But then”¦let’s see”¦you get a movie like THE BREAK-UP.

KP: Yeah”¦

NETT: Which we didn’t do but I just know that was incredibly difficult to do. It’s like, “What part do you grab onto?” It’s a story about interpersonal relationships and it’s not like there’s some big thing”¦I mean they break up”¦but it’s not exactly provocative. I am sure there was a struggle.

KP: I liked that one. I think they did as well as they could for the kind of pressure they were no doubt under.

NETT: Every one is custom. Every movie is different. Everyone has got their own little thing.

KP: Do you ever get instructions on what to do? Or are these things farmed out to, like, five different people and it’s just whoever comes up with the best one gets the nod?

NETT: More or less. And the studio will all have varying levels of involvement in it. Typically, it’s expensive to do this but they also don’t want, let’s say, five people turning in the very same thing. So, they’ll be, “You guys do the romantic angle, you guys do the action angle, you do the guys angle”¦”

And the thing is that they’ll play to the strengths of the trailer houses and teams that the trailer houses have. For instance, we have a lot of people here and we have a team that are experts at horror and another team that is good at chick flicks”¦

KP: And this raises a point I’ve thought about for a while”¦everyone says they love going to movies for the trailers but, I think, no one has a real grasp on the process of making and actually doing this. How did you think that creating your own company to do this was a good idea?

NETT: Well, the way I started was that I worked at another one of the houses and the thing that I wanted to be was a feature editor. But I got into it, it was cool, and ended up being a copywriter. I was a freelance copywriter and people started hiring me to do produce trailers and, next thing you know, I was hiring people. I just decided to have it to make a company.

KP: How many employees?

NETT: 300. And we merged with another company [Creative Domain]. So, that accelerated things quite a bit.

KP: And what is Creative Domain bringing to the table?

NETT: Well, we’re primarily a theatrical company. We do the first run theatrical movies, primarily, and that means print, the one sheets and stuff, and trailers. And then, what Creative Domain did, was the other parts of it like web sites and they did DVD campaigns, packaging, menu design, authoring, everything; they basically make the DVD. And we had a little, tiny video game division and they have a pretty well-established video game division.

So, it ended up being real nice. A real front to back package. And we also filled in the gaps of what we didn’t have like the EPK.

QS: So, explain to me, one of your nominations at the Key Art Awards was Special Recognition Audio/Visual. What does that mean?

NETT: Oh, the reason they did that was because trailers are regulated. They have to be 2 ½ minutes long. And with TV they’re :30’s or :60’s, whatever. And once a year every studio can have one trailer that can go long. So it wasn’t really fair for the other trailers that were 2 ½ minutes having to go up against ones that were 4 minutes. You just have more time to tell the story, develop it, be more subtle, whatever, so this category is for those things which are odd lengths.

KP: And you’re nominated for the WALK THE LINE trailer?

NETT: The internet one.

KP: Oh, so you didn’t do the theatrical one?

NETT: No, and it’s funny because I don’t know who did that one. For that campaign we did the internet trailer and most of the TV.

KP: Any of the print?

NETT: No, but the print was GREAT wasn’t it?

KP: Goodness.

 

NETT: So good. I will tell you that the guy over there at Fox, Tony Sella, president of marketing, he came from a print background. He just has very good taste. He’s the one that was also in charge of the people who did that beautiful stuff for X-MEN. The pictures that were just beautiful photography.

KP: Yeah”¦I mean that’s the kind of thing that people will respond to. It seems that a lot of the studios are fine with the “floating head” syndrome-type media.

NETT: I know. I know. The reasons why a lot of the stuff looks the same at the end of the day is that these things have work to do. It’s not like product advertising where, like, we all know what Doritos are. We don’t need them to explain it to us. Now it’s just about making Doritos look fun, cool or whatever.

We have to go “What’s the movie about?” “Who’s in the movie?” “Is it really exciting or really funny?” and get those emotional points across while getting it all done within a time constraint and so you really need to get on it. Make sure that you’re concentrating your message.

KP: Right.

NETT: And that’s why a lot of people say that they all end up looking the same. They all have to do the same work, the same functions. But that’s why the WALK THE LINE was different, though. There was a regular trailer that did all that work so ours could be a little more artistic and didn’t need to fill all those perfunctory functions.

QS: And I would agree. I would say for a large percentage of the trailers out there the common person will just watch them and not think anything of them. The ones that do a little more, stay with you a little longer. Do you find more fulfillment when you get a little looser, artistically, than if you had marching orders to produce something vanilla for the studio?

NETT: Well, I’ll tell you, I went to Cannes one year and they have a trailer competition at the film festival and I was a judge in the competition. And it was completely different. The way they do things in the rest of the world, mostly in Europe, cinema is an art form more than a business for them; they view it more that way. So the trailers are more artistic and they’re more about the feel and the mood. The American trailers have a narrator walking you through the entire story. That was the first time it was so glaring to me, the difference, between the way we do it. But I think American audiences are unique in the way they want to know what’s it all about. That’s why we end up doing it that way.

If you’re in a business and you’re trying to make money you’re going to do it so that it becomes the most successful product it can be and that’s the mandate for a lot of the American companies whereas the mandate for a lot of the other say French companies, is that they view it as an art form; if they make money, great.

Look, there is a lot of great French commercial stuff but, overall”¦

I mean we would love to do nothing but cool, groovy, esoteric trailers but it’s a balance. We’re always trying to push it a little more but that’s what you want. Sometimes they’ll let us go and sometimes they’ll pull us back a little bit.

KP: How long from thought germ to when it’s all done and out of your hands?

NETT: It’s long. Just depends on the movie.

What happens is, and the business has changed so much, and I’m thinking of how to say this properly, it used to be that you used to get a full feature. A rough assembly of the feature, most of the time. Now, most of the time you start working off of dailies. So, they’re starting the shoot and we start cutting. Most of the time.

KP: Really?

NETT: A couple of reasons for that. One of them being is that we can start to do our work earlier and work on it a little more and the other being that we don’t have a movie so there isn’t anything for anyone to pirate.

Everyone is very sensitive to the pirate issue. I mean you could have a whole collection of daily scenes but it’s not a movie.

Another thing is that the turnaround is faster. I think they can do it faster and I think they do do it faster. And I think it’s because of technology and so you can crank through post-production faster than you used to be able to.

I can’t remember what it was like with MUNICH but it was record time.

KP: I remember reading he was shooting in the early part of the year and the studio had already set the date.

NETT: I know”¦ it’s crazy that they were able to get it out in that time. One of the reasons in general is that the studios have made the investment and they want to recoup that investment so the longer it sits out there the longer the time usage of money. They would just as well as get it out there as soon as possible so it really does accelerate the end part of the process. And because they’ve been able to close that window we’ve needed to start sooner which I think is another reason we start on dailies.

KP: Well, how do you get the vibe of the movie before you even know what’s coming?

NETT: You read the script and then you talk with them about it but we’ll assemble the movie. It may not be the way they do it but we assemble it, sort of put it together. I wouldn’t call it anything more than an assembly because it really is Scene 24, Scene 25, etc… and it’s just to get a feel for it.

But we were putting KINGDOM OF HEAVEN together and, oh my God, you have no idea how many dailies that was. It was a mountain”¦of dailies.

KP: This award show, your nominations, do they say anything about the work you do?

NETT: Well, the Key Art Awards, I am one of the producers of the show, differs from something like the Golden Trailer awards. There the awards go towards trailers that are interesting and different as opposed to the Key Art Awards which is a bunch of marketing people who understand exactly what you’re trying to accomplish and how well you’re doing it by that measure. So “Is it doing the work” “Is it reaching the right audience?” “Is it positioning the movie properly?” you have to have more focused criteria.

Getting an award from the Key Art Awards is a little more like, “The people who understand what I’m doing gave me this award.” I think it has a little more impact because of that.

I think it is an art form because you have pressures in terms of what needs to be in there and then having someone ask themselves how they can do it artistically when it’s done right.

I’ve got to tell you, there are very few people who do this job well. It’s a very specialized little area of expertise.

KP: And how come, like MTV does all the time now, trailers aren’t branded with the trailer house or trailer creator’s name? Kind of like a director’s credit.

NETT: Yeah, well, we’re the guys behind the curtain. We’re not forefront.

I always wish there could be something, too, like some kind of esoteric symbol, where we could know who made what. It would be great if there could be something where I could give someone their props when they do great work.

QS: Exactly! I mean the guy who did the BATMAN BEGINS trailer I know some of the other things he does and I like knowing because he’s like a rock star in a way; I like being able to follow someone’s particular style and watch how they handle different material.

NETT: The funny thing is that when you work in the business”¦you know. Like, I know who’s done most of the stuff. Even if I don’t know the editor I at least know the company. Most of the time. Just because we all know who’s working on what. Just part and parcel from working in the business.

KP: Is there particular styles certain people have?

NETT: Yes, definitelty. Oh yeah. One company that has one of the most pronounced styles is this place called Skip Film. Skip was the guy who did the GONE IN 60 SECONDS trailer, the MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE II trailer. He’s just a very interesting editor who just incorporates a lot of graphics and special effects into his editorial work. He’s really good at just making something just visually interesting. He’s a very visual guy. So, he’s got a style.

People do evolve and develop certain styles and, as a big company, we try not to have a certain style and we want to have the ability to emulate all sorts of different styles but we have one guy who does horror trailers and you can usually pick out his trailers.

KP: I would love to be able and follow someone as they evolve as an artist in this medium.

NETT: And that’s the thing. There are some great practitioners and it’s usually the same cast of characters. Like this guy, Bill Neal, and he works with a guy named Scott Bramlett, they’re an editor/producer team. They did TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and they did EMILY ROSE and they did DAWN OF THE DEAD.

KP: I dug that one completely. Got one of my top picks for 2004.

NETT: Really? The thing is, he is so good. Even as a kid he was a huge horror fan but he never cut horror trailers. He never worked at a place that did horror. And, I don’t remember what it was, but we got him a horror trailer and this is what this guy loves. He’s into it. He understands what makes good horror. It was like all the planets aligned and he just exploded.

KP: I’m telling you, fantastic trailer.

NETT: And the thing that I love about what Bill and Scott do”¦at the end of the day the trailer needs to feel like you got something from it. Like there was enough substance to it. There’s enough “There!” there. And that’s the thing with those that just have a lot of razzle dazzle is that it just doesn’t feel like there’s a lot of substance to it. Then a lot times when you get the trailers that have a lot of exposition it just feels like there’s too much substance.

What Bill and Scott do, what they’re really good at, is that they don’t make you feel like you’re getting spoon-fed.

[With DAWN] you pretty much get it, you understand the premise”¦just the whole way was a really entertaining, creepy, journey.

KP: Makes it an experience.

NETT: Exactly.

KP: Those hands that are scratching at the screen at the end”¦that’s the kind of thing that stays with you.

NETT: (Laughs)

Yeah, we shot that. A little added bonus.

KP: I mean eff all the people who think these things are all the same. The guys who are really hardcore and want to try something different those are the people who you want to keep track of.

NETT: There’s my business partner, Benedict Coulter. He has been doing this for a very long time at the highest level. I think he started editing TV spots on STAR WARS. The stuff he produces is always very cool. He works a lot with an editor named Nick Temple who is amazing. He’s the one who did the MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE teaser, the WALK THE LINE piece, did the MUNICH trailer.

Having been in this business a long time, the thing that I appreciate most about what he does is he understands when to take the time. When to go and be like shredding and then when to stop. And he’s not afraid to stop and let everything die down and have a pause. And Bill does that too. That’s what separates the great guys from the good guys. It’s understanding pacing.

A good trailer, if you’ve done it well, is like a piece of music. You just go along for the ride. And it’s really fun and cool.

KP: Thank you for your time, sir.

E-Mail the author at: Christopher_Stipp@Yahoo.com

June 19, 2006

Interview: LITTLE BRITAIN’s David Walliams & Matt Lucas

Filed under: Interviews — UncaScroogeMcD @ 6:15 pm

-By Ken Plume

interviews-20060619-littlebritain01.jpgEvery once in awhile, a British program manages to make its way out of the sceptred isle and wind its way to the former colonies, where it is greeted with wonder and amazement and just how fresh and unique it seems compared to the majority of American tele-pap.

One of those recent exports was the sketch show Little Britain, written by and starring the comedy duo David Walliams and Matt Lucas.

Wonderfully surreal and filled with larger-than-life characters (which is also a literal description of Matt Lucas’s immense socialite, Bubbles Devere), Little Britain is like a cross between The Kids in the Hall and Benny Hill.

Both the first and second seasons are currently available on features-laden DVDs, and the third season is currently airing in the US on BBC America.

Quick Stop had the chance to chat with David Walliams and (just a teensy bit to) Matt Lucas”¦


   

 

QUICKSTOP: I guess you’ve had a long day of interviews”¦Â 

DAVID WALLIAMS: We’ve had a few this afternoon, but it’s been fun and we did some photographs with Martin Parr. Do you know him? He’s a quite famous British photographer. He’s great. So that’s from American GQ so we were quite happy about that. We’ve had a few this afternoon, but it’s been fun and we did some photographs with Martin Parr. Do you know him? He’s a quite famous British photographer. He’s great. So that’s from American so we were quite happy about that.

QUICKSTOP: So the freight train has not slowed down at all”¦

WALLIAMS: No, it hasn’t. We’ve just come off a tour – we’ve just done a 140 day tour of Britain. We’ve stopped that, but we’ve got loads of things to do. We’re making a Christmas special of Little Britain for the BBC at the moment, so it doesn’t stop for us.

QUICKSTOP: When we last talked, you were in rehearsals for the live show.

WALLIAMS: Yeah, so that must have been October then.

QUICKSTOP: Now that the live show is over, were you surprised by the reaction that it got? Because it was quite popular”¦

WALLIAMS: Yeah, it was great. And it kind of grew as we went along. We ended up playing, like, arenas for 10 or 12 thousand people. So yeah, it’s been extraordinary.

QUICKSTOP: And that was the first time you had done a major live show like that, right?

WALLIAMS: Yeah. It’s on quite a big scale. It was stunning. It’s kind of weird when you’re in it, you know, for me, because you’re just dealing with each new gig. But the first time we stepped out in front of 12,000 people in Manchester was amazing. An amazing feeling. Our first gig was like four people in an art center in north London, which was about 10 years ago. So it was really only at the curtain call that it really hit me. “˜Cause that’s when suddenly all the lights went on and I could feel the audience, “Oh my god, we have actually come quite a long way and this is pretty amazing.”

QUICKSTOP: Did you envision that it would get this far?

WALLIAMS: No, not for a minute. But then, you don’t”¦ I never really think of it in those terms. I always just think, “Oh it’ll be good to do a funny show and make people laugh” rather than thinking, “I’d like to do a show that will get this amount of viewers or do a tour and play to this amount of people.” I’ve never been too worried by those kind of things. I just liked doing what I thought was funny, and that I was proud of. And beyond that, it’s hard to think in those terms. It’s a mistake thinking in those terms, as well.

 

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QUICKSTOP: When the lights come up and you see the audience and the power that the show has, and the characters have, does that in any way affect you, creatively? When you went back after the success of series one to do series two, did that success ever have a creative influence on you, knowing the popularity?

WALLIAMS: Not really. I mean, only that you know when you put the show in front of a live audience you go, “Oh, this character’s more popular than we thought, and maybe this one isn’t as popular as we thought.” And so it may be, you know, just shock”¦ maybe you think, “Oh, okay, maybe people would want to see more of this or that,” but not really, no. It doesn’t. We can only sort of do what we find funny. Do you know what I mean? You can’t think, “Well, I’ll try and do what people find funny,” “˜cause it doesn’t’ really work that way.

QUICKSTOP: Is there any character that you are surprised didn’t get the reaction that you hoped it would?

WALLIAMS: I think it’s hard to say”¦ and that’s always a negative thing to say, but yeah. Some characters, we thought, “Oh, no, you know, they will go down well,” but some we thought, “Oh, that went down better than expected.”

QUICKSTOP: Were you in any way surprised by the backlash that the third series got?

WALLIAMS: I was disappointed. Now people are looking for problems, you know, but it didn’t affect the show’s popularity. We got nine million viewers on BBC 1, which was kind of unheard of, and played to 800,000 people on our tour, and as far as the reviews, it’s just what kinda happens, really. I think the problem in Britain is that the show that people most hold in esteem is Fawlty Towers. And the problem is that people think it’s amazing because there are only 12 episodes. Now, I just think it’s amazing “˜cause it’s an amazing program. Just brilliantly funny. And I could have watched it for longer, but people kind of think”¦ they’re almost annoyed with you for doing more than 12 episodes. You know, people were coming to us all the time and saying, “Don’t stop doing what you’re doing.” People want to see more, but you can almost think you’ve done something wrong – like 12 is this kind of magic number with a comedy show, and if you do any more than that you’re sort of finished.

QUICKSTOP: Do you think what Ricky (Gervais) did with The Office unfortunately reinforced that idea?

WALLIAMS: Yeah, I think so”¦ yeah. I think, again, that he suffered from the same kind of thing, in a way, which was there was so much hype, that you’re almost scared of”¦ you’ve been so lauded, it’s become so popular, that you become a bit scared that it’s gonna turn. But we’ve always just made the show for kind of ourselves and for people who want to watch it. And so that was what was guiding it for me. Not the fear of, “Oh my god, we might get a bad review.” “˜Cause we’ve had bad reviews before. We’ve been to the Edinburgh Festival and had bad reviews. That’s what happens. And by the time the reviews are written the show’s done anyway and it’s out there, and in a way it can’t harm you that much, because they’re not gonna take it off air “˜cause it got a bad review.

interviews-20060619-littlebritain03.jpgQUICKSTOP: At what point do you look at it and go, “Now it’s time to walk away”¦”? Not from Little Britain per se, but particular characters?

WALLIAMS: When we’re not finding it funny anymore. When we’re kind of thinking, “Well actually, this isn’t kind of getting our creative juices flowing anymore.” That to me would be the time. And then it’s kind of when we’re ready to do that. But I’d hate to think we don’t perform any of these Little Britain characters again.

QUICKSTOP: Certainly in the transition from series one to series two were characters that were left behind”¦

WALLIAMS: Yeah, characters got left behind from series two to three, and then there were new characters in series three. But I do think there’s a core of about six or eight characters that people really like and really want to see. And they provide a backbone to the series. You do see Marjorie as she’s with her fat fighters group again, but I kind of think, “Well if something different is happening next week, it doesn’t really bother me.” You know what I mean? I kind of think, “Well it’s a good character and I want to see her again.”

QUICKSTOP: What character is most comfortable to you at this point?

WALLIAMS: Most comfortable to play?

QUICKSTOP: To play or write for.

WALLIAMS: I like playing Lou in the Lou and Andy scenes. I feel that I kind of know him quite well now. I enjoyed playing Carol Beer on stage because she doesn’t move. So I can just have a sit down for a couple of minutes, which is nice. They’re all enjoyable. I think in doing this show, the live shows 70 times, is that you find you like different ones on different nights. You particularly feel, “Oh yeah, I was really on it tonight. I really knew what I was doing with this character.” And then the character that doesn’t make a big impact on the TV show, who’s in the first series, called Des Kaye”¦ a sort of failed children’s entertainer. And we do that in the live show. Get people out of the audience. And I love doing that one, even though that’s not one that people even, I don’t think, remember. But because it has a sort of spontaneity to it and it’s always different every night, and ended up normally with someone”¦ one of the audience members with their trousers around their ankles and me on top of them on the floor. Um, it’s always”¦ that’s always a joy to do. For those very reasons.

QUICKSTOP: Is there a character that surprises you the most in performance, in where the character will take you?

WALLIAMS: I suppose that character is a bit surprising because, in a way, it’s grown. I mean, the first night I didn’t take their trousers down. That kind of grew. And that’s become a bit crazier as he’s gone along, really.

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QUICKSTOP: Do you think it’s the audience interaction that brings the energy to that?

WALLIAMS: Yeah, the real energy to that ““ because of that and because you never know what people are gonna say or do. And that really grows. But yeah, some nights you really feel you’re inhabiting it, which is very frightening. But it’s a weird one because even in this live show we’re playing a different character every three or four minutes. So just as you’re kind of getting into it, you’re into another one, you know? It’s not quite like you’re playing King Lear or something. You know what I mean? You really feel, “Tonight I was King Lear.” “˜Cause each night we’re each about a dozen characters each.

QUICKSTOP: When is the show coming to the U.S.?

WALLIAMS: Well, at the moment there aren’t any plans to bring it to the U.S. We’d really like to. We’re doing some touring in Australia next year, which is great, but we would like to do it in America ““ but we really need an American promoter to sort of fund it, really. So if you know anybody, can you mention it to them? We’ll play anywhere. Australian promoters came and saw the show in England and then said, I really want this show to come to America, but we didn’t have anybody from America come yet. It may still happen.

QUICKSTOP: I’ll make that happen.

WALLIAMS: Thank you very much.

QUICKSTOP: At this point, is there any comedic line that you won’t cross?

WALLIAMS: Well, the line I think”¦ people often say you can’t make jokes about this, that or the other. But I don’t think there are any rules, because I think if it’s fun, it’s kind of okay. And just because it’s humor doesn’t mean you’re necessarily belittling an important subject like that. You can do jokes about the most extreme awful thing, and as long as it’s funny, I think it’s kind of okay. I think people think you’re making light of something when you’re making a joke out of it, but I don’t think you are, really. I think you’re getting to a truth of it with humor. And I don’t see why you could watch a poem about something or make a film about something but you couldn’t do a comedy sketch about it. I don’t see why you should make any distinction. I think we’re quite lucky that we’ve always done the show in front of an audience, the TV show ““ we record the sketches and then play them into an audience, then we record sketches on the night, which means that the audience will kind of tell us if we’ve gone too far. And if people are just in shock and not laughing, we wouldn’t include it, because we’d just think, “Well what’s the point of that.” We wanted to be explosively funny. But comedy is”¦ you know, you look at something like Monty Python’s Meaning of Life, the man exploding and everyone getting covered in guts and vomit in a restaurant ““ it’s amazing. It’s disgusting, yeah, but it’s also brilliantly funny, and I kind of think as long as it’s both those”¦ as long as it still is funny there’s no reason not to do it.

QUICKSTOP: Has there ever been anything put on the table in the writing process that you refused to do?

WALLIAMS: Not really, no. Sometimes we think of ideas and go, “Oh no”¦ Actually, it’s funny to have it as an idea, but to actually see it would be a bit kind of horrible.” But no, we have our own sensibilities and then we have those of the audience. But I think it’s a weird one, because people often ask us, you know, “Well, do you think this has gone too far?” But, I mean, there’s a comedian in Britain called Chris Morris, if you’ve heard of him. Made The Day Today. Well, he made an episode of his show Brass Eye“¦

QUICKSTOP: This was the pedophile episode, right?

WALLIAMS: The pedophile episode. Now, obviously, to some people that was a big media storm around that with some people shocked and horrified that anyone could bring those kind of themes into what was a funny show. Other people applauded the bravery that he was dealing with this subject that was a taboo. I think we all have different kind of levels. We’ve all drawn the line in a different place. It’s quite hard to think where the line is, “˜cause I think it’s different for each person.

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QUICKSTOP: Is there anything that you consistently draw the line at?

WALLIAMS: I think we’d find it hard to do something like that about pedophilia, because it really is shocking and”¦ I mean, I applaud his bravery for doing it, but I don’t think we could really think about doing anything on that. But it’s weird, if you dance around the subject ““ like The League of Gentlemen did, and have a character Herr Lip, who was a kind of pedophile, but because the boys are older it sort of made it sort of not too distasteful. It was still funny. It’s hard. It’s how you do it, really.

QUICKSTOP: You’ve finished 3 series, you’ve done a live tour, you’ve got a Christmas special coming up – are there projects right now outside of Little Britain that are drawing your attention?

WALLIAMS: Well yeah, we were kind of thinking what the next move will be, and it may be in different series for the BBC, or it could be a film or something. We’ve just got to take it where our creativity takes us, really. If we think of a great story for a film, we’ll make a film ““ you know?

QUICKSTOP: Does that mean we’ll see the return of Mash and Peas?

WALLIAMS: I don’t think we’ll ever do the return of Mash and Peas.

QUICKSTOP: Is there anything you’re pursuing independently?

WALLIAMS: Not really at the moment, because apart from odd bit of acting, there hasn’t really been time because we’ve been touring, and then we’re making a Christmas special over the summer. So there hasn’t really been time to do that, I’m afraid. But I’m sure I will, yeah.

QUICKSTOP: I certainly hope you guys are able to bring the show over to the U.S. “¦

WALLIAMS: Yeah, we’d love to do the show in America. That would be fantastic. Do you want to have a quick chat to Matt?

QUICKSTOP: I would.

WALLIAMS: I’ll just pass you over.

MATT LUCAS: Hello?

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QUICKSTOP: Hello Matt”¦

LUCAS: You’ve got about one minute, I’m afraid. Anything you need to ask me?

QUICKSTOP: When are you going to finally do that Broadway show?

LUCAS: Oh that would be lovely, but at the moment we’re working together, so I don’t know. I haven’t any new news to tell you, I’m afraid. Gotta run”¦ Bye!

 

 

 

March 17, 2006

Trailer Park: Sam Jaeger

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | By Christopher Stipp

March 17, 2006

JAEGER MEISTER

In this special, super-sized version of the Trailer Park, now with Riboflavin, I’ve got a lot of reading material for you peeps out there.

First up is an interview I did a few weeks ago with Sam Jaeger, an actor who will soon be on everyone’s lips as the dude who is going to make VA history by being the first “best friend” outside of Jason Mewes to appear on screen with Kevin Smith. Sam first came to me as a guy who is in the upcoming starfest, LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN, but in looking at his credentials I saw that there was a lot more to talk about than just shooting the crap about working with Ghandi and John McClaine. He was, genuinely, one of the warmest people I’ve been able to talk to in my tenure here at the ‘Shoot and I hope some of you aspiring actors/acresses read a little about what it’s like to survive inside the system of Hollywood while still retaining your sense of self.

Also, I’ve included a some trailer review action below the interview just in case an interview isn’t something you want to be doing with your Internets today.

And just in case you aren’t satiated by all of this writen goodness I wanted to let you know that I now can also be found writing periodically during the week over at Newsvine.com; my corner of that universe can be found right here. Not only is the site a solid destination to get all your news in one place without editorial oversight but it’s also very unique in that anyone can add to the news being reported on the site and I found that it was lacking a distinct voice in its movie coverage. Hence, I am spreading my stylistic talents like a mold virus through a piece of wet drywall. I’m testing out my skills at commenting on things that pop up during the week with regard to the movie business and I implore you to check it out and leave me some public feedback on the ‘Vine regarding what you think. My first real column was looking back at last week’s box office, commenting on Paul Haggis’ latest project and having a great time doing color commentary on Brett Ratner’s diary entry for UK Telegraph’s article on a day-in-the-life of a Hollywood director; it’s well worth your time and I am offering a free copy of the 25th Anniversiary DVD of HALLOWEEN to one random poster for any feedback left in the article’s comments section to get things started. I’ve also commented on some purported “test footage” of the new TRANSFORMERS movie that was “leaked” and offered up an opinion of this week’s announcement from theather owners’ planned push to have cell phone jammers installed in their multiplexes, or is it multiplexi?

Anyway, check it out if you can. I am confident that you won’t be sorry or let down by some additional content from yours truly; plus, and this is key, if you think it sucks harder than Paul Haggis’ CRASH you can publicly flog me for all to see. That alone should be worth the price of free admission.

Now, on with the column!

Usually interviews take on a rather superficial element not usually found in natural conversations; the actor/actress needs me in order to pimp their product and I, in turn, am looking for something intriguing enough to keep me involved and exciting enough to make you, the reader, curious enough to keep reading.

I have been fortunate that most every conversation I’ve had with someone involved in the making of a film or project has had a unique perspective on their respective roles within it. I’ve loved film all my life and I know that the predicate in the words “show business” wasn’t just a clever wording. It’s a cold fact that for every wicked awesome REQUIEM FOR A DREAM there is a HOW TO LOSE A GUY IN 10 DAYS just waiting to be unleashed into our lives; it’s a matter of knowing what audience can be brought in, how much they’re going to spend and what percentage the movie will make in profit that determines, in some odd mathematical way, people’s career trajectories. Need proof? Ask Steve Guttenberg why he isn’t in X-3.

In a sense, this is what brings us today to Sam Jaeger. An actor who has performed on a lot of television shows in roles that you really didn’t pay attention to, it’s okay, I never noticed either, Sam has made a living in the past seven years doing what actors do: auditioning and praying. He’s made a life for himself, and a pretty good one, acting in shows like LAW AND ORDER, SCRUBS and THE WEST WING. Now, in a few weeks, you’ll see him on the big screen in LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN, starring alongside Bruce Willis, Ben Kingsley, Stanley Tucci, Lucy Liu, Morgan Freeman and scads of others. And, for those in the know, Sam will make cinematic history of sorts in his role as Kevin Smith’s newest cinematic best friend, Mewes be dammed, in CATCH AND RELEASE, a movie that was tentatively slated to drop this spring but has been pushed back, way back, to 2007.

What Sam lacks in the numbers of people who know who he is he makes up for in a rich understanding of the machine that is his career: Hollywood actor. One of the poignant things that you learn about Sam is that he has the kind of perspective that you wish other actors have. He knows the fragility of one’s career and is a realist when it comes to looking beyond the work in front of him while enjoying the ride. It’s hard to not envy a guy who not only is getting bigger and more substantial roles but is also going to be responsible for being the first man to act alongside Kevin Smith in 2007’s CATCH AND RELEASE in a starring role as Smith’s best friend with Jason Mewes nowhere to be seen.

Part one of this two part series deals with Sam’s upcoming LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN, his thoughts on making a living by acting and shares what he thinks regarding having opportunities fall into his lap.


Well, I am glad that I am finally able to talk to you about a couple of movies you’re going to be in. Yeah, Yeah”¦ Now, I know LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN just came out overseas in the UK and Ireland”¦

Oh, did it?

Yeah, I spent the morning reading the reviews. I was wondering if you knew why those limeys get it first and we have to wait?

You know what, as an actor, you get to know so little about these things”¦unless you’re Kevin Smith…

(Laughs)

No, I think”¦I just have no idea. I think maybe the film feels a little bit like something that Europeans would get into. It’s got sort of a PULP FICTION”¦I hope you don’t mind I’m doing dishes”¦

(The sound of rushing water fills my ear as the clink of assorted dishes also makes its way into the conversation)

No, absolutely not.

I just think it has a little more of a PULP FICTION audience that it lends itself to, a London audience to be specific. I imagine they’re testing to see how it goes over there and see what kind of momentum it can get. At least that’s my guess”¦but I’m no Weinstein.

(Laughs)

So, I take it, then, you were there when the film screened at Sundance.

I was.

How did that go?

It’s such an”¦honestly, it’s a really stupid event. No, it’s really a great event but there’s something about it. I was there for 4 days and I saw 1 movie. The movies are impossible to get into. More people are going, there are more celebrities promoting their movies and it’s difficult.

I will say one of the strange parts was that I was involved with the whole schwag part of it. You know, you walk around places and people judge how big or insignificant you are and then give you gifts accordingly. It’s one of the stupidest things I have ever been a part of (laughs) and now that I am in the process of raising funds for a movie I’m directing this summer I am like, “You know what? We can sell all of this stuff online! I’m gonna call my uncle who has an E-bay account and give it all to him!” And, that’s kind of been the game plan.

I will say that the excitement at Sundance is really unique but, at the same time, there is a part of me that has tried to avoid Hollywood as much as I can. Living in Hollywood, and I live right in the middle of Hollywood, it is in the least celebrity heavy part of all of Los Angeles. I am surrounded by mostly Latino families just living their lives, working 9 to 5 jobs, and I really almost break out into hives whenever I cross La Cienega and get into Beverly Hills. It’s just not for me. It just makes me feel real uncomfortable.

I read that you grew up in the Midwest”¦Perrysburg, Ohio.

Yes, I grew up there and spent the rest of my life in LA. No, I’m kidding, I actually lived there all my life.

I can relate a little bit to you as the first time I visited Hollywood I was fresh off living in Illinois for nearly all my life and when I stepped into it I just couldn’t help but feel that it was a little weird. It didn’t feel real, it’s like reality but with a heavy coat of varnish on top of it.

Yeah. It’s a disappointing place to visit. You can see people come off the buses and it’s like, “What the hell? THIS is the magic machine?” And it’s not like I am disenchanted as I lived in New York for three years before coming out here and I like that Hollywood, at the least the middle of Hollywood, isn’t full of Rodeo folk. The people here are just trying to go about their work, their thing.

And the funny thing about going to Sundance was that my girlfriend and I were like, “You know, we flew a 1,000 miles to get away from people like this”¦And they all came.”

Is that what’s it come to? You hear people say of an annual event, no matter how great it is, that it’s never as good as it used to be.

Absolutely.

That seems to be the whole theme of this year’s event was to talk about how it’s declining and the coverage is all about who’s hanging with Eva Longoria. Is the hype real or are there quality independent films still making their splash at this event?

Well, I think there was a need by some people to try and keep it an independent festival and, I can’t remember the selections, but the ones that were crowned king and queen of the festival were movies that could really be helped with a prize for distribution.

I think, when you come down to it, a great movie is a great movie. It just feels like the festival is engulfed by Hollywood. I guess that’s Sundance and will be Sundance for a long time to come. I don’t see fewer people going to Sundance next year. I think it’s significantly different from when Kevin won for CLERKS but, hopefully, people will keep the focus on films that are engaging, engrossing stories.

On that note, then, how did the screening for LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN go?

It actually went really well. I think people were really enthused. It’s a movie that kind of keeps you on your heels the whole time and it’s kind of like a puzzle that you piece together as the film goes along. It was a huge, the biggest theater, that was showing the movie and it was a packed packed house. In fact, one of the producers had to buy his ticket online for 200 bucks.

Really?

Yeah, yeah, it was near impossible to get tickets. I was fortunate enough to get them. It was a good event. I think Paul McGuigan is a really strong director with really good instincts. Certainly, great style. I think, visually, better than WICKER PARK.

I wasn’t going to break bad on WICKER PARK but”¦

You know, it was just under acted in some of the roles. But, like in that movie, I feel, Josh Hartnett gives his best. He’s a very dedicated, charismatic actor but I think he does a wonderful job in this one.

I feel like Josh is on this bubble. He’s got these boyish features but he’s making a great run at trying to carry a complete movie on his shoulders. Did he ever mention anything about what direction he wants to see himself going in?

In the few conversations I had with him he seems to actually be someone who is focused on avoiding the traps of superstardom.

Really?

Yeah, I think he had a lot of opportunity to do those kinds of films, he did PEARL HARBOR, and I think somewhere along that line he has learned his lesson from working with these major major stars and seeing how, sometimes, unhappy and maladjusted they are. And, again, I don’t know him that well, but I think that’s one of the things he’s wary of.

One of the frustrating things about my job is that depending on who you’re talking to, as you want to have a good conversation with the person you’re engaging, there can be a plethora of information or none at all. For you, then, your resume is packed with work done on LAW & ORDER, CSI, NYPD: BLUE, SCRUBS, ER, etc”¦ but are you having to work to get these parts or are casting directors saying, “We need to have this guy”?

Well, every one of those shows I auditioned for. Nothing was handed down to me. You probably already know this but the mystique that opportunities just fall into people’s lap, and that some people can’t help but to be movie stars, or can’t help but be working actors, the same being true for writing, “He just sat at a typewriter and just had to come out of him,” it’s like”¦what a load of horseshit.

It just doesn’t happen and if it does happen then they are wrecked for the rest of their lives. I’ve been working now for almost seven years now and I would say that I have auditioned over a 1,000 times and things, eventually, fall into my lap because I do as much research and study my roles as much as I can before I go into an audition room.

I’ve just been fortunate to be a working actor for so long because I know how rare it is to be fully employed solely by acting. I just think it’s a matter of me being able to give the right performance at the right time. I will say that when I went and auditioned for CATCH AND RELEASE there was a pretty famous celebrity that walked out before I went in for the same role and I thought, “You know what? You don’t have a chance in hell so you might as well do the best you can.”

So, I walked in, I met Susannah, she was kind of reserved and I did the first scene and she had me go back and do it again and she said, “Great, Moving on”¦” And I thought, “Ok. She thinks I am a good actor but I didn’t get the role. That’s fine.” There were three scenes and then we moved on to the second scene and she was, “Good. Third scene”¦” By this time I am convinced there is no way in hell I am getting this, “She just wants to get me out of here. This woman is done with me, maybe I insulted her kids or something”¦”

I get done, I shake hands, I leave, I get into my car, my girlfriend is waiting in the car and I say, “I did the best I could but I just don’t think I have a shot at this.” And then, a month later, I get the role.

It’s always a mystery. I think it has to do with just doing the best you can and it eventually pays off.

When you go into an audition like that are you aware of that one person who really has the final say of whether you’re hired or not? Like a producer, the director or someone else involved with the project and are you ever aware of the person you have to impress?

Yeah, it usually depends on the director. There are some directors who are taken under the wing by some producers and remain there, I think. But, Susannah, just like Kevin, is very strong. She has such a confidence and is very intelligent and very present. You can’t help but to listen to her and heed her suggestions. I think that I was pretty much an unknown compared to the rest of the cast I think it was her confidence that sold the studio on me.

I once had to audition five times for a guest-starring role on Dark Angel.

Really?

Yeah. That was a dark period in my life.

The nadir of your career…

(Laughs)

Right. My blue year. And, I didn’t even get it. This just goes back into why you just keep doing the work because I went into CATCH AND RELEASE and, 10 minutes later, I come out and a month later I get the role.

There is no specific scientific ways of getting these jobs. I just keep doing the work and then patting myself on the back because it’s all you can really do.

If I could compare the two, LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN and CATCH AND RELEASE, big difference between production values and days spent shooting these movies? Was any one “more indie” than the other?

I think one of the things about SLEVIN was the sheer number of unbelievable actors. There was an energy there was at a little more serious than CATCH AND RELEASE. There was, and I don’t want to say a stress, but there was a tighter schedule on SLEVIN. You had to work in all these colossally vital actors into the movie and it was a balancing act plus you had 6 or 7 or 8 producers working on that film. That’s a lot of finagling.

For my role, I shot it in one week. Yet, two weeks after I am done shooting my role, they fly me back to Montreal from LA, put me in a hotel for three days, they bring me to the set, they do their thing, and, five hours later, I am back on a plane. What’s more is that they did it the following week as well. And they did it because they had all these stars that they had to accommodate.

For CATCH AND RELEASE it seemed much smoother despite rain trying to hold us back. It felt a little more like a studio film, I will say, because it felt like a 9 to 5 job, I was working at least 4 or 5 days a week but it had a little more a relaxed vibe to it.

I know Kevin kept an online diary of the production and it was nice to read about the process of making the film while getting the feel that it was causal on the set. There was work to be done but I didn’t read anywhere about some PA pounding on his door at 4 a.m. to shoot a scene.

No, it’s a night and a day difference from the independents I’ve done. I think the process has taught me a great deal about making movies, especially being around Kevin and having such a good relationship with him.

Was he schooling you while you were together? How did that relationship go?

I don’t think it could’ve gone any smoother. The funny thing is that the first time I met him it was for a table read, before the movie began, and he was talking to Timothy Olyphant, who plays the lead in the movie, and says, “I am a big fan of Deadwood, you did good work on THE GIRL NEXT DOOR”¦” and he turns to me and says, “And I have no idea what you’ve done.”

(I laugh)

And I said, “I did a killer episode of “˜That’s Life.’ I can’t believe you didn’t see it”¦” It’s a relationship you’re just lucky to have.

I have nothing but respect for the guy and I think that’s what it is. We have a mutual respect for one another. He’s a great family man, he does everything he can for his friends and family; that’s kind of how I live my life. I live for my friends and my family, the people I love and he will go to bat for anyone who he loves.

That’s really nice to say”¦

Yeah, and I also like the fact that he speaks his mind. That’s what has got him so many fans. And his fans should rest assured that he is everything that he appears to be. He’s just a guy who says it like it is.

Did you find when you were with him in a scene that he just came in, did what he was expected of him and then leave or did he ever interject with suggestions of his own about a scene?

No, but that was one of the most fascinating aspects of the movie. Here’s a director who has directed six films, has written six films and is now being directed by a first time director. It would have been a lot more uncomfortable had Susannah not been such an accomplished writer, I mean she’s written ERIN BROCKOVICH, IN HER SHOES, and she is a confident woman. Kevin trusted her and they had a great working relationship once it got rolling. If there was a button on the scene that Kevin wanted to try she would let him try it so it was like having two writers on the set.

What would you say, going into a movie like SLEVIN or CATCH AND RELEASE, are you hoping to get out of your time on a movie? Some have said, “It’s a job, it’s just work,” but is there anything intrinsic to be gained from a movie set?

I think, in the past, my goal was to not get fired. And, I speak to that. On CATCH AND RELEASE I realized about two weeks in that, “You know what? Jennifer’s preggers. There is no way they can re-shoot this shit. I am in this movie for good.” You know? “They can edit me out, fine, but they’ve gotta keep what I’ve done here somehow.”

(I laugh)

I love it.

I am only thankful to get a role. When you get a job, you want to do the best job possible. I would sometimes kill myself trying to get to this character and, coming from a background in theater, it’s an ongoing process where you try and develop a character and try to build it into something that’s comfortable but with film I’ve learned that when you get cast generally for these movies you’re already the person they were looking for because they’ve already seen 600 to 1,000 people. They don’t need you to make huge adjustments. The audition you give is often the mold they want your character in. I purposely try to lay off memorizing scenes and so forth till the day before because I know I have a tendency to overanalyze things and it can become overly stiff. And I didn’t want that to happen here because Kevin and I are supposed to be laidback guys with a really strong friendship. It wouldn’t make sense to be so strict about the lines, so meticulous.


FIND ME GUILTY (2006) Director: Sidney Lumet
Cast: Vin Diesel, Annabella Sciorra, Alex Rocco, Peter Dinklage, Ron Silver
Release: March 17, 2006 (Limited)
Synopsis: A drama based on the longest Mafia trial in U.S. history, mobster Jack DiNorscio (Diesel), faced with a series of charges, decides to stand trial instead of ratting out his family and associates. A wrench is thrown into the system when DiNorscio opts to defend himself.
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Prognosis: Negative. Another movie set against the backdrop of a trial?

From A FEW GOOD MEN to nearly every John Grisham I am at a loss to understand the nature of what makes these movies such an appealing genre. I do know, though, that movies that fall under this kind of filmic purview, sporting events being one that comes to mind quickly, need to do something special in order to set themselves apart. It’s almost as if these movies have to work uphill even before they get started; where any other movie just needs to be original to be noticed these kind of genre movies need to additionally set themselves apart from those they share space with on the video shelf.

This is where I am coming from when this movie opens and you get the obligatory shot of flashbulbs, hubbub, boisterous news hounds and the frumpy, velvety track suits donned by the stereotypical Italian goombahs who find themselves in a courtroom.

It’s unimpressive. It’s flat.

I am intrigued by the card that tells me that I am about to see a story that revolves around one of the biggest criminal trials in our nation’s history but without context I am just left drifting in this trailer. What’s more, and this important to note, everything builds up for what should be something worthy of serious drama but we don’t get that. We’re offered, instead, Vin Diesel, mugging to the audience of his peers and I am almost sure this is being billed as a comedy.

You’ve got a jaunty soundtrack underneath Diesel’s claim that in this “trial of the century” he’s going to defend himself by being his own lawyer; when he’s asked whether he has any legal experience he states he’s been in the can most of his life and that he thinks sometimes he has, “too much legal experience.” Oh, the uproar this causes. Everyone laughs and thinks this the funniest crap they’ve heard. Is this a trial or a Saturday night at The Sands with Dean, Frank and Sammy?

I’m not too far off here as the subsequent clips that are chosen drip with a depression inducing grey palate with Vin talking about the man who shoots him four times, expressing the misguided sentiment that it was because his “family” loves him, and the trying-too-hard-to-be-poignant moment when he tells his old lady, his girlfriend, his daughter, who knows, that even though he’s being asked to rat on his friends the best two words in the English language are “things change.”

I’m just not sure what to make of a movie billed as a drama when Vin is playing the part of MY COUSIN VINNY. There is a lot of posturing for the camera, a lot of wacky and zany outbursts all the while one of the biggest legal battles between organized crime and the government goes on.

Even if, perchance, the movie is indeed the comedic equivalent of an episode of LA LAW there seems to be real drama with Vin getting his ass beat and him having to be restrained for his outbursts.

There is a movie in here, I feel it, but if this the marketing for what appears to be a marketing campaign that doesn’t know which way to sell the product then this movie is having its feet ensconced and being dumped in the Hudson.

February 24, 2006

Trailer Park: AN ARM AND A LEG

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | By Christopher Stipp

February 24, 2006

AN ARM AND A LEG

Before we jump into this week’s article I had to preface my comments by throwing out a little trailer love for a strange, yet alluring, trailer for an animated movie. I was going to include it last week but my love for all things Roy Stalin/BETTER OFF DEAD got in the way.

It’s nice to see the kind of animation made famous by A-Ha for “Take On Me” make a surge back into the mainstream. Now, this movie most likely won’t be classified as mainstream but it got my attention and I am feeling in the sharing mood. The movie is called HIGH MOON and you can find the animated trailer right here. If you’re a fan of a hip soundtrack and a voiceover-less viewing experience I highly recommend just peeping out the trailer. Props go out to Pat V. for shooting me the link on this one.

I wish I had my planned column all ready for you, there have been some sweet trailers making their debut, but when I had the last minute opportunity to talk to Todd McFarlane about his involvement with David Fincher directing one of Brian Michael Bendis’ best works I had to drop what I was doing and find out what’s what. Sure, there have been other people to talk to Todd regarding this flick but since I wanted to talk movies and not action figures or trying to “scoop” when he planned on making a comeback into comics I think you’ll find this 1/2 hour I spent with him on the phone a little refreshing. So, I apologize there isn’t a slab of trailer goodness here but I wanted to give some of you closet comic nerds (present company included) a little pick-me-up. I hope you enjoy.

Now, on to the interview!

One of the most poignant transitions for any comic book fan that was hooked on Batman, X-Men or, in my case, G.I. Joe was that moment when superheroes just didn’t carry any emotional currency anymore. The moment when comics were just 15 minutes worth of reading that ended with some kind of Saturday Morning Serial cliffhanger and made the fan feel like they just pounded a fistful of colored panel Pixie Stix was the moment when that reader either waned in their interest for their fictional heroes or they felt empowered to seek out alternate reading.

Watchmen and The Preacher replaced the mustachioed evil villain tropes we all knew by heart; Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman replaced whatever half-penny fill in writer was continuing the further misadventures of whatever Spider-Man or X-Men spin-off was planned for that month; and, it was here that comic book readers became more aware that the medium they indulged in so delightfully, without much regard to resonant moments in their storytelling, was about to grow up. I grew up.

Many of those who still read comic books after long tenures of service, I am about to go on 20 years this May, know exactly what I am talking about here. There is room, no doubt about it, for all varieties of comic books.

One of the most poignant transitions for any comic book fan that was hooked on Batman, X-Men or, in my case, G.I. Joe was that moment when superheroes just didn’t carry any emotional currency anymore. The moment when comics were just 15 minutes worth of reading that ended with some kind of Saturday Morning Serial cliffhanger and made the fan feel like they just pounded a fistful of colored panel Pixie Stix was the moment when that reader either waned in their interest for their fictional heroes or they felt empowered to seek out alternate reading.

Watchmen and The Preacher replaced the mustachioed evil villain tropes we all knew by heart; Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman replaced whatever half-penny fill in writer was continuing the further misadventures of whatever Spider-Man or X-Men spin-off was planned for that month; and, it was here that comic book readers became more aware that the medium they indulged in so delightfully, without much regard to resonant moments in their storytelling, was about to grow up. I grew up.

Many of those who still read comic books after long tenures of service, I am about to go on 20 years this May, know exactly what I am talking about here. There is room, no doubt about it, for all varieties of books. Those who want their mind to traipse elsewhere can find what their minds are nagging at them to read by lingering long enough at their local comic shop. One of the things that made Brain Michael Bendis’ “Torso” stand in stark contrast to the books making Wizard’s Top Seller lists was its blend of true crime storytelling that infused Marc Andreyko’s art in such a way that commanded true attention. The story would prove it couldn’t be ignored and its eventual trip towards the big screen took a leap when Miramax decided to pick up the property. The problem was, though, the house that made its name on shaping original ideas a visual reality decided to sit atop the book and not do anything with it.

Enter, stage left, Todd McFarlane.

The man who originally helped Bendis get the book out to the masses, the man who thought moving it to Miramax was all but a done deal to breathe life into the graphic novel, found himself snatching back the property when Miramax eventually didn’t move on getting “Torso” jumpstarted. He has been all hips and elbows since then, pitching and selling the story, has landed the help of Bill Mechanic to come aboard to defibrillate talent to attach themselves to it and it’s paid off. With screenwriter Ehren Kruger (THE RING, JOHN CARTER OF MARS) ready to pen the adaptation and heavy hitter David Fincher (FIGHT CLUB, ZODIAC) anxious to add the stylistic element the book deserves to have preserved the movie has never seemed more poised for greatness. The reality of it, though, isn’t filled with as many superlatives as one would hope. Todd talks about the mountain ahead and how he plans on getting to the top of it with a movie that not only fans will like but will draw in an audience who never has to realize they’re watching a comic book unfolding before them.


The first real news I heard of this was that “Torso” was going to be made, Fincher is going to direct, Ehren Kruger is going to write it and I am wondering if there has been anything new to add since the announcement itself? One of the things”¦sometimes they put out those PR things slightly”¦prematurely. And what’s going on now is that we’re just making sure all the contracts are finalized. I was just talking to Bill Mechanic, one of the producers, and he was saying that his just got finalized and one of the other guys just got finalized. I think the PR people sometimes jump the gun”¦they do it for two reasons: one, they want to get it out and, two, sometimes it puts the studio into a pressure cooker; if they balk now, it’s already been announced, they don’t look good. So, sometimes it’s done as a negotiating tool. But, minus all of that, which is all inconsequential, arguably because most of the work had already been done when this announcement came out. Because, a lot of people announce things like this and then have another 8 months or year of negotiating contracts. We sort of did the leg work far in advance and most of the credit for that goes to Bill Mechanic. He used to run Fox.

He was blamed pretty heavily for FIGHT CLUB’s initial theatrical run.

Yeah, yeah. He was able to nurture a lot of relationships with some people and you start going on the producing side and you hope you can call some of those friends up, call a couple of markers up”¦He’s been talking about David for a long time. We’d gone and met with him before, trying to work through it, and I sort of thought that once he got behind ZODIAC that would end that conversation, but obviously Bill has been pushing that boulder up the hill and knew that the studio was only going to get excited if he got a couple of A-listers.

What grabbed Bill’s attention, initially? What was it that made Bill say, “I’ve got to get this made”?

For Bill, when we pitched it to him, the very first time, he sort of sees the same things I do. It’s sort of a no-brainer it seems like.

You’ve got a brand name in Elliot Ness as everyone knows who this guy is. You’ve got a quasi sequel, but not quite, and then you’ve got, arguably, historical data, which you can argue is America’s first serial killer, this is the case where the word serial killer comes from, so all the details that come with it, when you sort of do the pitch everybody just says, “Wow.” I mean it’s got a lot of Hollywood moments in it; they’re all factual. You can look them up in the microfiche. And, again, World War II breaks out and because all of a sudden there are, arguably, some political ties that get pushed underneath of all it, you just go, “Wow.”

To me, this is cooler than putting Capone away. At least I think it’s on the same par and, more importantly, sort of the first half of that story, the young kid turning into the knight in shining armor, is more consistent with what happens in the media today. We like to build our heroes up and then we like to deconstruct them. So this is the story of a man coming into town, literally the hero, and by the end of it all gets kicked out of the town. And, arguably, it’s still an open case. We deal in facts. If you go to Cleveland it’s still an open case. Elliot Ness’ version of events is that he solved it, if you believe him. He did his job yet he still got railroaded. They wanted him to change his job description and he goes, “That’s not what you hired me to do. I’m not a detective, that’s not what my job description is. But, okay, you want me to be a detective, fine. And, you want me to stop this guy, fine.” And, in his mind, he did both. Because the end result was hidden from the public they didn’t think he did either. He tried running for mayor and can’t even win that candidacy. Somebody runs into him at a bar in New Jersey at the end of his life and he’s almost penniless and destitute. And then he recounts his Al Capone days which results in this book called the “The Untouchables.”

So, we’ve only really seen half the Elliot Ness story. And the second half is just as cool, if not cooler. For us, Bill got it.

The trailer is”¦(BOOM) “Based on a true story” (BOOM) “America’s first serial killer” (BOOM) “From Elliot Ness” (BOOM) “Comes Tom Cruise” Or whatever. Whatever actor is in it. And you’ve got to ask how that trailer does not get people into seats? You go check, check, check. And then you add a director who has a reputation and it’s “You’re in!”

And I am sure there are thousand stories out there of people saying, “I don’t understand why don’t they want to make my movie?” Then it began to try and convince everybody to belly up and get it done.

And you’ve talked about who you thought you’d like to see, Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, who you’d like to see play this character”¦

Well, you know, historically, Elliot Ness is a lot younger than people think. He was in his early 20’s when he came to Chicago. By the time he put Capone away he was like 26, 27, he was a kid. You could say Kevin Costner was more of a Hollywood kind of thing, not quite exact casting. So, you could put someone in the role that’s in their mid 30’s and it’s historically correct which opens the door for a lot of actors.

One of the guys who Bill is quite fond of is Matt Damon. He’s the one he keeps saying, “That would be cool.” He’s at the right age, got those boyish looks, likable, all the traits that Elliot Ness had.

Once we get a viable script that the studio feels they can spend money on then we can go back into that equation and there might be more candidates at that point.

And so you’re still waiting for Ehren to finish his first draft?

Yeah, he’s going to have to sit there, go through his first draft and, hopefully, that’ll happen around the same time David has gone through his press junket, if you will, for ZODIAC and can catch his breath for a minute.

He’s got another movie in development”¦

Yeah, I have it right here”¦BENJAMIN BUTTON”¦

Yup. It might make sense for him to go from one kind of thriller, suspense movie, take a bit of a breather, and then come back in.

I am sure, depending on whatever the studio’s wants and needs are, and how fast Ehren can”¦at some point the studio could put the bum rush on but I hear that BUTTON is developing quite nicely so it’s not like it’s in development hell.

On the same token I know that Miramax, you were waiting a long time for them to do something with this and the rights came back up, how long have you been waiting to do something with this story?

You know, someone said the date and it was longer than I thought.

It’s one of those (laughts) things where you don’t see the sands of time going through”¦and all of a sudden you go, “How long has it been?” I think”¦I want to say”¦I bought the rights from Bendis and Andreyko almost seven years ago. It’s been that long. I would have to see when we sold it to Miramax as they sat on it for a while”¦and then we sold it to Bill”¦I mean it only feels like a few years.

Have you talked to Bendis at all about this? About having Mechanic on board, having Fincher on board”¦?

I haven’t talked to Brian recently. I do talk to Andreyko and Mark is, obviously, quite pickled. Because, at the very beginning, in earlier conversations, when I was talking to Brian about it he was saying, “We should just do a low budget one and we should write it ourselves and, Todd, you should direct it.” It’s true, you can do all that stuff, but, to me, there are way more qualified people that can come in there and do it, especially from a directorial point of view. It was like, “Thanks for the encouragement but you can sell this someplace, bigger than we’re talking about here.” And I know when we were taking our first couple of meetings Mark was saying that Brian is a fan of Fincher too.

I don’t think you’re going to get too many people that are going to sit there and bellyache if you get an A-list guy, in any capacity, to make a movie because that means you actually have a chance to put it in front of people, connecting, after all these years. I don’t think Mark or Brian are any different than anyone else and want to see their material on the big screen.

Exactly. And just thinking here about Alan Moore, who hasn’t really bellyached but has had issues with those involved with LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN to bring it back to Mechanic and even V FOR VENDETTA which he wants his name completely removed from, is it important to have the guy who initially wrote it get excited over the making of their material?

I think so. When all is said and done Mark and Brian will be able to give their own personal view of it. Mark works in Hollywood, I know that Brian has sold a few things there but I think they are both savvy enough to understand that Hollywood is an inexact science and that once you let something go it may come out better or worse, very few times does it ever come out the way you want it. And that’s the kind of commentary you get from people who sell the source material. They go, “Oh my gosh, it turned out better than I hoped.” Or, “They killed it.” You rarely hear, “Ehh, it had some good spots.”

I think we understand that this has to be a character driven movie. It can’t be a slasher movie. We’ve seen those, it’s too easy. Hopefully when Ehren does his homework and, I’m guessing, will have long conversations with both Brian and Mark and sort of pick their brain and will go, “Oh. Got it, got it, got it.” He’ll be able to say to Bill, “Now I know how I can sort of get into this.” I always thought it could be in the deconstruction of that hero. Hopefully Ehren can get in there and write something that you go, “Oh, okay.”

As producers are you able to control any of that or can you only hope Ehren comes through?

I’m sort of in an awkward position and only insofar in that I sold it to Miramax and Paramount”¦I’m sort of looking over Ehren’s shoulder, offering words of advice. I’m not supposed to be doing that, for legal reasons, but not sound legal reasons. Big studios want something, they get conservative, they get conservative. So, my capacity is going to be more just making sure the production gets going, we’ve got the right people”¦

Has Fincher just signed on in name or has he talked about his own vision of what he’d like to do with the material?

I know that his initial contact with the material, he’s seen it, have you seen”¦

Yes. Loved it.

Yes, so did I. As co-owner of Image comics when I read it I was blown away by it. So, you can see the movie just playing out in your head as you’re reading it, right?

Right.

So, I think David had read it and the one thing he did say was that he sees this as being very stylistic. Now, maybe when he gets there, when we start the movie, maybe it doesn’t have the same commentary as it does in the beginning. When you look at that book and you see it in that sort of film noir look I think it’s some of that that’s intrigued him besides that it’s a hell of a story. You can see that it’s a great story and you can get a little stylistic with it. So, I know he was intrigued by the black and white part of it, I don’t know if he’ll continue to be intrigued by black and white but, all of a sudden, you see movies like SIN CITY and you go, “Okay.” You can do some quirky stuff to what extent? But, there have been other movies, like HISTORY OF VIOLENCE and ROAD TO PERDITION that, to me, fall into what this story is about.

Both of those stories were graphic novels but I don’t think your average moviegoer knew that. They were basically watching a glorified comic book. But what they did was take a medium, a genre, and they mixed it and they made it very seriously and it wasn’t about guys in tights running around doing flips.

And, even though there is violence in both of those movies, you can still get your wife or mom to see them because, “Oh, it’s Tom Hanks, Paul Newman is in it”¦” And they present it as a real movie. Same thing with HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. Viggo, you just saw him in his trilogy, this is him in a quiet role, and, again, it’s sort of intriguing given that, intellectually, there’s a lot of violence in it but you go, “Oh, what would I do in his position?” So, to me, my guess is this thing will fall close to that category except we have, hopefully, the added bonus of this also being based on facts. But, you get a star, and put him in there and have people say, “Oh, I like that guy.” And it just happens to be against a backdrop of some criminal case.

And I know you’ve been quoted as saying that you’ve become less enamored with the superhero genre. Is this just an evolution of your own sensibilities”¦

I know I find myself as I get older wanting to stray away from some of the conventional superhero stuff. It doesn’t mean you can’t look at any of the stories from the comic book world because here’s one example that you pulled out of the comic book market. The other two I just mentioned, again, there are plenty that don’t have guys in tights. As a matter of fact, maybe the marketing see that as a kind of a drawback.

I think that’s one of the problems with big movies that come from comic books. When you look at movies like ROAD TO PERDITION and HISTORY OF VIOLENCE, like you mentioned, the marketing seemed frozen, confused. I wondered for both of them if I was being sold an action movie, a thriller, a drama. Do you see that as a potential road block and, if you, what would you do to prevent that from happening?

In this case, I don’t think so.

What you’ve got here is a pre-built brand name. Once you say Elliot Ness, boom, a lot of people will go, “Oh, okay.” And then you go, “Well, what is he doing?” And you say that he’s got to catch America’s first serial killer. And, like I said, this is too easy of a trailer. This is an easy trailer to get people in but now the question is, “Can you keep them there for 2 hours?” That becomes an exercise for Ehren at that point.

I think that once you get a grip of what you’re going to do with the character, there’s too much there. And a skilled writer like Ehren he’ll find a spot, he’ll find a groove and it’s just a matter of finding what the studio wants out of it. They want more action, they want more character development, is this something they want to put out to get some Oscar attention”¦

Right.

Like those other two movie I mentioned, we can go down that path in terms of putting it out there, and if we get some nice visuals from David and get his whole crowd, it’s very wide, plus he has a large cult following, you could potentially have your cake and eat it too if all the pistons are firing on all cylinders.

Do you see this as the next evolution of comic book movies or do you think that people are getting tired of seeing guys in tights?

Naw, I don’t think so.

It just becomes a gentle reminder that if you’re looking for comic books you can come in with an open mind. There is some nice comedy out there, some nice drama and, obviously, there is action which is a mile high.

Do I think there will be any shift? No, not as long as the BATMAN’s, the SPIDER-MAN’s and X-MEN’s make as much money as they do and they are going to continue to mine all that. I’m just saying that once you get past the A guys, and you can count the A guys on two hands, then it becomes a matter of whether it’s better to look for stuff like Torso compared to the 25th most popular guy in DC comic books?

I laugh

So what’s the biggest step from here?

I mean, the big contract, on some level, is Ehren’s. Once his is done then he gets to write. I haven’t checked in yet so they may have finished him off already. The big credit goes to Bill Mechanic for sticking with it for as long as he did because he could have walked away from it. He had a couple of opportunities but he was like, “No, let’s keep going with it.”

I am really interested to see how this looks if it’s done right.

Yeah, done right I think it will blow a lot of people’s minds away going, “I had no idea that happened.” It’s what every executive said after we pitched it. There are big Hollywood, wild moments and you can go, “They’re making it up,” but no, this is how it went down.

It just got caught in a political wheel and it’s why it didn’t get exposed and, once we went to war, we got distracted. To show you how big it is, how big the story was at that time”¦that we somehow neglected in our history, Hitler mentioned it.

Really?

Yup.

In one of his speeches he used this case, one of his big propaganda speeches, he used it as the proof of the degradation of America’s society, The Mad Butcher, the Torso Killings. And then, a few days later, they find another torso in Cleveland and it has the word “Nazi” carved into it. I mean, it’s crazy stuff like that. If Hitler was aware of it you can imagine how big it was. And, somehow, we’ve lost it in the annals of our crime stories for some reason and hopefully this movie will put it back on the map.

And, really, for me, from a comic book point of view, it says to me that comic books are still a viable medium. If people are like, “I don’t want to see a movie of guys in tights,” then, you know, you don’t have to. As a matter of fact, if you don’t want to read about guys in tights, you don’t have to. All you have to do is spend 10 minutes in a comic book shop and you’d be amazed how wide a range of material is there.

You go into Blockbuster and you see the movies are all round and flat but it’s the subject matter that differentiates itself from kid material to our material, right?

Right.

And comic books are no different but, in this country, have such a stereotype of the word “comic book.”

It’s a stigma, really.

It is. Superman and Archie, that’s it. Really, go up to someone who has seen ROAD TO PERDITION and tell them that was from a graphic novel and they’ll stare at you blankly. They don’t know what to do with that. “I like comic book movies??” No, you like good material, that’s what you like, and that’s all I am saying. The comic book marketplace has a lot of good material and I hope it continues to have good material.

I agree. My first comic book was G.I. Joe number 47, that was almost 20 years ago this May, and even still I see the same variety of traditional comic readers; somehow that stigma is just not going away.

I did a book called Sam and Twitch that Bendis wrote and we got the new one, The Case Files of Sam and Twitch, and that’s all crime fiction stuff in comic book form. So, it’s like you don’t want to read Superman anymore, fine, there’s other stuff. You don’t have to stop reading comics, you just have to go out and find something that’s your taste now. There is plenty of that. The Vertigo lines are part of it, just make a little bit of an effort.

Hopefully this movie will help to chip away at that stereotype.

Yeah, I ran into a guy and I told him I make toys and he said, “Oh, for kids.” And I told him I do animation and he’s, “Oh, for kids.” Then it was that I did comic books and it was like, “Oh, you do kids stuff.” And I have to say, “Uhh”¦not really.” Animation can be anything you want it to be, toys are clay that you can put into any form you want. “What you’re doing is remembering YOUR childhood. You’re remembering your Leave it Beaver mindset. And you haven’t updated that mindset yet.” And I guess that’s our job, pushing that boulder up the hill.

February 3, 2006

Trailer Park: Zachary Levi

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By Christopher Stipp

February 3, 2006

ZACHARY LEVI: More than just a nice set of eyebrows

Absolutely nothing.

There was nothing particularly redeeming about the trailer for BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE 2 and I was afraid of what was to come when I saw Martin Lawrence shaking his chubby, fat suit groove thing all over the screen.

I thought that my relationship with the movie was going to be limited to a few wry comments about the preview, a little pole smoking of how Martin Lawrence is the Next Coming on Entertainment Tonight and a little faux funny-funny about the zany antics during shooting on Extra but when I was asked to speak with one of the movie’s stars, Zachary Levi, I had more than a few doubts of whether I should say yes.

Looking back on the decision many months ago to just throw a few handfulls of caution to the wind I am glad that I acquiesced to do it because instead of just focusing on Zach’s involvement with this movie, which did more than well in its first weekend of release and snagging the top spot by a healthy margin, I wanted to know not only what it was like to be in a big film like this but the itch I wanted to scratch was to ask about whether there was any stigma at all on working for a film called BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE 2.

Truth be told, I admire Zach for being so honest in being unassuming in realizing that to utter this film’s title does spark involuntary laughter but he also reveals that even though some may look down on taking work on a sequel there is a learning experience to be imbued by being open to the process. My initial apprehension was turned to understanding as Zach explains what it was like to make BMH 2 within the context of doing whatever it takes to advance his career to the next level. Where I thought there would be shame and derision Zach talked about opportunity and excitement just to be a man working within the Hollywood system. The more I talked and inquired about how he found his way though the film which would ultimately reign supreme at the box office the more I understood that this was more than just a movie that would come and go this was a flick that would help someone realize their dreams of making movies. Regardless of how you feel about the cash-in commercialization mentality of needless franchise pictures Zach has a got a story to tell and it’s all sorts of intersting and amusing. As point of fact, his next film project, SPIRAL is in post-production. Starring Amber Tambyln of Joan of Arcadia and the better than it sounds SISTERHOOD OF THE TRAVELING PANTS, written and directed by Joel Moore (aka That Skinny Guy from DODGEBALL and LAX) the movie will hopefully wash away any doubts of this guy’s ability as a bankable actor.

To start off a conversation with him I explained why someone from a place named Poop Shoot had the opportunity to chat him up and what I did, primarily, at the site: I review movie trailers.

Oh, right on.

Well, that didn’t help you any for this movie as I wasn’t in it.

That’s the thing. You weren’t in it but how big of a movie is this for you?

Well, basically what happened was that, the genesis of what happened, was that they wrote this movie with every intention of having Paul Giamatti come back and reprise his role from the first one. It was like he was his partner and he had a lot of screen time so they went to Paul and he pretty much said, “Uh, no, I did SIDEWAYS. Uh, have you not seen my body of work? CINDERELLA MAN? Hello?”

Paul didn’t need to do it, I don’t blame him, you’re playing second man to Martin Lawrence. So, he doesn’t do it but they still have the script and then what they do is rework it in all these different ways and they create this new, different partner who he hooks up with and that would be me. I am like one of four different FBI agents that comprise his partners, if you will. So, I kind of play his partner but I don’t have as big a role as Paul Giamatti but still a good size. Actually, a real good size but then I just did the DVD commentary with my director and producer, which was freakin’ awesome, because I was like, “Hell yeah I want to do a DVD commentary,” and I got to go in and do that only to find out that the good and the bad of it was that I have a lot of scenes on the DVD and a lot of them were deleted.

(Laughs)

I mean I will get a lot of screen time in the movie, which is good, but the director, and he’s given me a kind of heads up, who told me, “It’s got nothing to do with your performance, it has everything to do with trying to fit the continuity of your character’s relationship with Martin’s.” Like, there was one scene that doesn’t make a sense with me being a newbie, that was originally written for Paul Giamatti, that was taken out because it flat out didn’t make any sense with the kind of relationship I have with Martin in this movie. It made the deleted scenes but it didn’t make the movie.

So, I still get a good amount of screen time and I still am Martin’s partner throughout the film but I’ve just got a lot of deleted scenes which are going to be on the DVD. There’s up and downs to all of this, I guess.

Well, after all the rewrites, and then the decision that you were going to the comedic, white cracker foil to Martin’s character, how long was your actual set time on this film?

(Laughs)

You know what, I started this in April of last year, I started on the second day of shooting and I was there for the last day of shooting. But there were many days within that where I spent my time chillin’, mindin’ my own business, because we were in LA and all sorts of different locations. Overall, though, I probably was on set maybe half of all the filming days in total.

Really?

Well, a majority of the film we shot in New Orleans. It was like three weeks in LA and then we moved to New Orleans. We were there from like May 18th to July 11th so I was there in New Orleans for a while with a few weekend trips back to LA when I had a few days off because I wanted to get the fuck out of New Orleans.

Why? It seems like a place”¦

It’s interesting because if, like, I was married”¦people kept asking me, “How was New Orleans?” I mean if I was married it would be fantastic. I would have my wife with me, we would be hanging out, we would go check out some real good historical sights, blah blah blah, listen to some great music, and then we could go back to the hotel at the end of the night and we would get it on like Donkey Kong. But, when you’re a single dude and you’re in New Orleans it’s lonely, dark and weird.

I would figure it’s like Girls Gone Wild every minute of the day.

It is but I am really not that kind of guy. I would much rather just go out and check out the museums.

You know, if I was like 18 or in high school I would be, “Yeaaaaahhhhhhhh! Show me your boobs!” But after one night on Bourbon Street it’s like, “Ok. Now what?” You’ve got great museums there”¦or even swamp tours but you don’t want to be that one dude who is by himself on a swamp tour as everyone is looking over and just going, “Who the fuck is this guy?”

(Laughs)

And then the really bad scenario would be if they would then follow up with, “”¦Isn’t it that guy from ABC’s Less Than Perfect? Oh, what a loser.” I mean that’s what’s going in my mind. I was going around the French quarter a little bit, have a little food, and then went back to my hotel where I would watch the same informercials over and over again. INCLUDING”¦Girls Gone Wild.

The icing on the cake was when I spent my last night in New Orleans and I was in this room. I was in my hotel room and it was like midnight. And when you’re in your hotel room and there’s nothing to do you just sort of just flip through the TV and I just thought I would just go to bed. I turn off the TV, my head hits the pillow, as soon as I turn off the light I hit the pillow and I hear (simulates the sounds of a creaking bed). “Oh my God, yes, yes yes!”

So it’s like I’m laying there for an hour and half and I am just saying to myself, “My God…I just want to go to bed. Please let me go to bed, please let me go to bed.” And the dude just kept goin’ and goin’, seriously must have taken Viagra or something, and it was confirmed because when I finally went to sleep and woke up around 10:30 the next morning the dude and his lady were still moaning.

Besides figuring things out on a personal level, then, what did you take away, professionally, from making this film?

I honestly took away a lot from making this picture.

It was kind of the bane of my existence for a while because I am in this weird demographic where I have a lot of competition in my field. For example, when I go up for a role it is like, “Oh, we love this guy, but Ashton Kutcher is available.” Or even Dax Sheppard or Topher Grace or Tobey Maguire, whatever. So, it doesn’t even matter if you like these guys but even if they have one more film credit to their names than I have they are going to get the film. So, it’s tough to try and crack that egg or that thing that needs to be cracked.

So, by the time I auditioned for BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE I had already gone in for about a dozen or so films in a row and it was always the same thing: between me and the other guy, whoever the other guy was. And by that time I was getting a little bitter and jaded and so when my agent called and said, “I’ve got a script coming your way and I already know what you’re going to say”¦It’s BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE 2.” I was all, “Oh my God.” I mean I was already going up for a sequel, which people already look down on anyway, for whatever reason, so I am not only auditioning for a sequel, but I am running the risk of losing the job on a sequel. I did not need that confidence booster in my life.

So, I go in, and it’s those jobs that you don’t really think you’re gonna get that you really end up getting or the one’s that you that you think, “I fucking killed it,” that they say, “Eh, he sucks.” I went in, did my thing, and that day they called Endeavor and said, “This is our guy. We’re gonna call Fox and fight for him.” And I knew it was going to be a fight because we knew they wanted to cast someone from”¦Punk’d or whatever.

(Laughs)

It was that 13 year-old they really wanted.

(Laughs)

Oh, by the way, that was EXACTLY who they wanted to get to play my role.

Get the fuck”¦

No, that was one of the ideas they were kicking around. “Who’s that young kid on Punk’d?” I was like, “ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I’ve been acting my whole life and I’ve been on a sitcom, one, granted, no one watches, but you’re going to go and give it to some kid who makes fun of people on the red carpet?”

He was on Cribs, though.

EXACTLY! “He’s been on Cribs.” That’s what I need to do. I need to be on Cribs and my problem’s resolved.

So, they fight for me and I can’t thank my director and producer enough. They were just huge supporters of me the whole time and believed in me. And so, long story short, that’s one of the things I really walked away with. One of the greatest things about this experience was that I was able to grab dinner with my director and producer to just take in their history and their past and anything else they had to impart on me because they both really believed in me. They believe I have the potential to pop and pop in a really big way and I wanted to know, “Well, how should I go about doing this?” You can go back and see other actors who were in the same position as me and you want to know what kind of decisions they made.

And just watching Martin, being able to watch an actor who has done lots of television and movies, watching his subtleties and mannerisms was also helpful. The biggest thing I learned from Martin, a real eye-opening, movie star kind of thing, was that he has like 10 people around him at all times. He’s got this large entourage, and it’s not like they are hangers-on, either, but he’s got assistants and since he’s got this production company where you’re either in the movies your making or helping to produce there is that feeling that, “Shit, there is a lot happening with this guy.”

It was nice to have made my first movie with someone who is really the embodiment of what a movie star really is. It was humbling and grounding all at the same time. I mean, I had some idea but until you see it first hand it makes it a little more real.

And, despite what I said about it, on a personal level, it was nice to have seen New Orleans before it was changed forever. I mean a few months later I was at my producer’s house, having dinner, and this was right after the hurricane hit, and as the news shows started showing the devastation we were like, “Fuck, we were staying right there. We ate right there. We shopped right there. We shot some of the scenes right there in that park.” And then, to have some of the PA’s call me, the guys who worked on the film, to tell me, “Yeah man, I’m staying with a family I don’t even know, I’ve got no electricity, no running water, I’m washing my clothes in a dish on the side of the road, we’re barbequing whatever we can put on the grill.” And it was like, “Holy shit.” I was just having drinks with that guy just months before on Bourbon Street.

What’s left to be seen is if this film is a success in terms of whether it opens some doors for me as an actor and try to parlay it into some kind of acting career. And the whores. You can’t forget the whores that go along with it.

You’ll never catch me being too serious about this.

And that’s nice to hear because I did an interview with Robert Patrick and, walking into an interview, you never know what you’re going to get. I mean Robert had this black t-shirt on with these jeans and chain wallet. I wouldn’t have been able to tell that things were going to go as well as they did just on looks alone.

Oh, I know Robert. I’ve been to barbeques to his house and he’s one of the coolest dudes. He rides his motorcycle, his kids run around his house, his wife is totally awesome and he’s just this great guy who just happens to be an actor, a really good one, and does big films.

And I am telling you, no joke, our agent and managers we have are like the best in Hollywood like just the person who hooked you up with me. They are real people who really work hard and really kick ass who really care about their clients. That’s what makes the difference. I’ve talked to friends of mine, some of them are really successful, but are so miserable with their relationships with their manager and agents and that’s because they’re schmucks. They set these actors up with anything they can get. It doesn’t matter what the quality of the work is. “Yeah, I’ve got you going up for a vehicle starring you and Gary Coleman.”

(Laughs)

It’s like, “Uh, what? I don’t want to work with Gary Coleman.”

I’m sure if it was Todd Bridges”¦

Yeah! “Todd Bridges, maybe, but”¦” I know what you’re saying about Robert. He looks like he’s hardcore.

He looks like the kind of guy who would just completely get involved with a fight if he had to.

(Laughs)

It would be like, “Oh! Shit! Somebody is going to make the tabloids”¦”

Well, on the same token, how picky can you be when it comes to film roles or television work?

The thing about it is that you’ve got to have criteria. I have certain things that I do and do not choose to work on. But my criteria are more along the lines of, well, how I do put this, more along the lines of morals or values. Like, for example, a movie like [Removed]. This might come back to bite me in the ass.

No, I’ll take care of this.

But, like [Removed], I would never do it. I think that [Removed] is taking the lowest common denominator of film and doing whatever you can to give a 13 year-old a hard-on and going, “Here’s a movie! Oh, that’s entertainment!”

To me, it’s not my bag. If those guys want to do it, great. Although, on the same token, I would do BOOGIE NIGHTS. BOOGIE NIGHTS, to me, portrays things in a realistic context.

I’m not some crazy fanatic about stuff, like I enjoy some stupid comedy, but you’ve got to be responsible. There has to be some kind of accountability. I mean, clearly, I am not that picky, I just did BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE 2. Funny enough, I did read BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE 2 and I was really skeptical because I did not want to do a big piece of shit, I just didn’t want to do a really bad movie, but when I read it I did think it was funny. I mean I have read hundreds of scripts, you have no idea. But when I read BIG MOMMA’S HOUSE 2 it seemed like corny, family comedy but it did seem kind of funny.

And when I went to do the DVD commentary, which was weird because I hadn’t seen the whole movie put together, and so I was trying to watch it and talk about it at the same time. So, I’m silent every 10 seconds or so trying to watch it and then I would realize I wasn’t saying anything. “Oh yeah, uh, the funny thing about that, uh, scene is, uh”¦”

But, really, the film did what it needed to do. It’s a brand that stars Martin and it accomplished what it set out to accomplished. The first one made a few hundred million dollars and surprised everyone. If the promise of bringing out that same audience was there, and then some, it was like, “Let’s do this.”

On the subject of scripts, you’re on the other side of a screenwriter’s process. What can you tell is a consistent element of things you’ve read?

I don’t know if this will answer the question but I think this might. The one thing for me, from my perspective, that one of the things that I constantly run into, ever since I started in this Hollywood game, is that I kind of fall between the funny man and the leading man.

Like, I went on this audition a couple of months ago and I went in for the lead character and the feedback was, “We love him but he’s more the funny friend.” Right? So, I go in for that and they’re like, “Well, no, he’s kind of the leading guy but he’s the funny guy. So, I guess from my perspective, I wish there were more scripts where it wasn’t the stereotypical, “This is the leading man/straight man and this is his funny best friend.” I wish there was a more of a melding between the two and I think that Tom Hanks got lucky because he got a lot of those roles where he can be the funny guy/leading guy. And Jim Carrey gets those roles but I’m not Tom Hanks or Jim Carrey. They only write those things for the really big stars. I just want a vehicle, I just want an opportunity to audition for a movie where I can go after that kind of role without me worrying that they’re going to go, “Well, he’s the funny guy.” And it’s like, “Well, no. I’ve got a depressing side, I can bore the shit out of you, trust me. Let me do something.” But it seems like, normally, writers, and I’m guilty of this as well as I write too, want to go with a formula and the formula is a Will and Grace kind of thing. You’ve got your two leads and you’ve got your super funny supporting leads and everyone seems to fall in accordingly.

Does that answer your question?

Yes, it does. I just wonder if it’s like a dump truck that comes to your house and spills scripts all over the place.

You’d be surprised. After the holidays, my agency, they’re so on it, it’s pilot season and there is a lot of movies being cast and, literally, there will be one or two scripts on my doorstep. It’s just a busy time of year. And when it’s not busy, then, of course there is nothing to do and I just sit in my bedroom and cry.

I mean in the six years I have been with my agency I have read so many scripts that I will sometimes go to the movies and it’s depressing because you know the story already. I remember one time I was excited and I was sitting there and then I said, “Wait a minute. I know what happens. I won’t get the full experience of not knowing what’s coming next.” But, really, when I do see something like that I hope that it has been long enough that I have forgotten what it’s all about.

Is it nice to know that you’ve got some good, steady, television work?

I’ll tell you, it has been a real blessing. I’ve gotten to know from living in a small studio and living on unemployment and having a car that”¦I had this Integra, this little used Integra that I was driving around from Ventura, California to LA, about an hour’s drive, and just from commuting the transmission went out twice. And it’s like 2 grand to get your transmission fixed. I didn’t have it. I was busing tables just to make ends meet and I needed a car to get to and from LA. And Mitsubishi had this thing around 2001 where it was like 0 down, 0 payments, 0 interest for a year and I booked two pilots the season before that and I was like, “I really believe I can book another pilot and pay this thing off.” Or most of it, anyway. So, I went down to Mitsubishi and I signed my first born away and I was like, “I need you to give me this car for free. Aaaaaand…joke’s on you if I don’t have any money.”

So, I literally got this Montero Sport and I am driving it, a car that I owe like 30 grand on, that I don’t have a cent for, I’m living in this studio and on unemployment, and then I go and try out for Less Than Perfect and I get it. I’m being a little more wise, though, this time around because the after the first couple of pilots when I got this big chunk of money I was like, “Waaaa!!! Yeow! I’m taking everyone out to dinner”¦” Because, when you’re 18, it’s like, “Yeah, who’s the baller?” And I blew through that money really fast so when I got my third pilot which was Less Than Perfect I was all about thinking, “Let’s just calm down a second. Let’s see what happens with this one.”

So, Less Than Perfect gets picked up, we shoot a couple more episodes, I’m sure the people at people at Mitsubishi were really disappointed they were not going to be making any money off the sale because I literally whipped out the checkbook and said, “So, what is it that I owe you on this? 28,500? There you go”¦” And they’re all looking at me saying, “Who the fuck is this kid who couldn’t afford it a few months ago and is now paying it off in one check?”

It’s been a huge blessing that it has gone for four years, it’s just unheard of. I mean, ABC just had Emily’s Reasons Why Not. Cancelled. One episode. One episode!

This is the crazy irony of it: everywhere you go in LA there are these billboards and bus stops and it was all over the place! And they went one episode. The ratings were so horrible that they had to yank it after one episode? Huge star. Less Than Perfect? We have jaaaaaack shhiiit for publicity. I mean it was pretty good to start but, near the end, it was like, “So, watch a brand new According to Jim, a brand new this,” and they would show a little clip of each show, but by the end it was like the fast talking Micro Machines guy, “anddon’tforgetLessThanPerfect.” You would’ve thought someone was sneezing at the end of the promo, that’s how fast it was.

It’s one of those things as an actor, or really anyone in this business, when you kind of get to a place where you don’t have any control over it anymore you’ve got to really just say, “Ah, fuck it. Whatever.”

But, you know, I am not working in a coal mine getting buried and killed so this is just an actor venting and I feel blessed for what I’ve got and these problems are all relative.

November 11, 2005

Trailer Park: Robert Patrick Part II

Filed under: Interviews,Trailer Park — admin @ 7:53 pm

By Christopher Stipp

November 11, 2005

“I’m a dangerous interview, dude.”

I’ve lived with Robert Patrick for the last three weeks.

I usually rue the experience after an interview of having to do the actual work, transcribing the whole damn thing, but this time everything was different. It was honestly the best three weeks I’ve ever had living with the hour of digital tape, the proof, if you will, which shows this one man, Robert Patrick, as a guy who has a lot on his mind, has passion for his craft and really lets throttle out when he gets going.

It would be a mistake thinking that he’s needlessly verbose or too wordy, it would be a fatal falsity to infer this, as everything he talks about is imbued with the passion which has no doubt helped him survive a Hollywood system that would rather see its hired help harangued in the tabloids in the name of keeping their names in the public sphere. Robert has no use for these things. He’s an actor who wants to get better at what he does, pure and simple and he’s more interesting as a person, as a human, because of it.

As I wound down my transcription of this interview I was not only left exhausted by my countless rewinds, fast forwards and CIA-like analyzation of words to ensure accuracy but I found myself laughing at the very things which come out of his mouth.

I actually made an audio copy of this interview to share with some people from this site just because this was a conversation I wanted to share just as if it was a new band that needed to be shared with my closest friends. He excuses himself for being wordy but it’s an unnecessary gesture. He comes across as a wily force, no doubt, but if every interview went like this, if actors could just express honest moments, reflections, about their jobs without having to worry if a man like Larry King is going to corner them on national television and ask them what it’s like to go through a public divorce and if they now enjoy having private relations with Vince Vaughn then I think we could enjoy consuming the very thing Robert Patrick is able to express: love for what he does.

WALK THE LINE opens next week, November 18. Much public thanks have to go out to Robert who really only had to toss me 15 minutes but wonderfully gave me a story worth sharing with everyone else.


Are you a good buddy of Kevin Smith’s? Is that how you got hooked up? No, I’m not. It was the editor-in-chief of Kevin’s movie website who was looking for somebody to take over their Trailer Park column”¦The one you do”¦Right. I wrote in and said, “This is who I am, I’ve written a book, I can do it”¦”

What’s your book?

It’s a work of fiction, it’s self-published, I made a 100 copies”¦

You sell a hundred? Made a hundred, sell a hundred?

No”¦

Aw”¦

I could sell it on the site, I could say, “Hey, come buy my book”¦” but I still feel awkward.

Where are you from?

I’m originally from Chicago. And even moving to Arizona nearly 10 years ago”¦when I went to write my first book I set it in Illinois just because”¦

You missed it so bad.

Badly.

I’m working with David Mamet. He’s from Chicago. He’s a Chicago boy.

That was going to be my next question. He’s absolutely, without question, one of the best living playwrights living today.

He’s a great guy, I love him. I didn’t know how I was going to get along with David. Because I did one of his plays, I told him this the other day, I did one of his plays back in 1990. Now I work for him, he’s my boss; he just directed this last episode I did the other day. He’s so great. He’s fucking great. He comes up to me so excited, “I wrote you some great speeches!”

He’s so charged up. “I wrote you some great speeches!” What a pleasure to go do a television show and everything is being funneled through David Mamet”¦

I think that’s the amazing part is that the man who has done GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS and all those great films which came after is turning his attention to”¦

Our television show. It’s fantastic. I don’t think there’s anything like it on TV. As a matter of fact I kid everybody, “We’re not makin’ television it’s Mamet, dammit.” It’s not TV, it’s Mamet.

He writes in that way, you’re not really talking about what you’re talking about, you’re going around everything. It’s staccato. You’ve really got to listen to the other guys’ cues, our overlaps are almost there but not quite there, it’s just intense stuff. His energy and his enthusiasm and the exuberance he brings to the project and the artistic craft and the respect he has for other actors”¦He is an actor and he wants to get in there and roll up his sleeves and get dirty”¦It’s infectious.

Really?

Oh yeah”¦You’re just so jazzed”¦”I’m going to work today with David Mamet!” It’s so great. You know he comes up to you at the end of the day and he’ll go, “Oh”¦Thank you so much. It was such a wonderful day today, you were great.” He’s just that sort of person. I mean, God, what a dream job. My perception before I came to this point today, and one my friends asked me how I was going to lead off the piece, of you I had to base solely on the work you’ve done on television, movies and the like. I think if I had a perception of you is that if we were out drinking, playing pool, what have you, is that a guy could say one wrong thing and you’d be the first person to turn a beer bottle upside down and get into it”¦

(Laughs) It’s all about perception”¦

It’s all about perception. I am like J.R. Cash in that sense. (Laughs)

Is that what you’re brining about what you think David is like?

Yeah, he’s a playwright, I think anyway, first and foremost, and I imagine him to be quiet, reserved”¦

No”¦Total opposite. Total opposite. Bright, wonderful, jogs at lunch, lots and lots of life in him. Lots of enthusiasm. He’s just so great. He’ll”¦(motions like he’s scribbling on a piece of paper)”¦”Hey, say this!” It’s different. I can’t wait to see how the show is going to go over. I mean we’re talking about something no one has ever seen yet but I really think it’s going to be a neat, it’s going to be unique and I think people”¦I keep saying it’s more like the Soprano’s more than anything in that we’re a fringe part of society, on the outside, we’re about the Delta Force, the elite Delta Force, it’s their world, and they can’t talk about what they do, it’s coded, covert, it’s deception, it’s a family unit itself and my guy is the colonel in charge of the whole operation and I send these guys out on these missions and I do a tap dance with D.C., with the President, with the White House people, and I got to come back and I have to manage my guys and then I got their wives, and they cause me problems”¦It’s this neat little world that I don’t think anyone really has been exposed to. It’s like 2% of the population is in the military and this group is composed of these Scotch-Irish-Cherokee kind of blend kind of guys, which is what I am, and Eric Haney, the guy who wrote the book The Delta Force, the book the show is based on, is David’s friend and he and David came up with the idea to put the show together. And Eric is Scotch-Irish-Cherokee and, you know, we’re fighting men, that’s what we are, we’re fighting men and so it’s interesting that there is such a high percentage of Southern commanders and people kind of get reassured when they hear that Southern drawl come out of somebody who is in charge of the armed forces, I don’t know what it is, but it’s a neat world.

I don’t want to put anything on it besides that I hope it does really well for Eric, David and Shawn Ryan, who has also done The Shield.

Do you know what network”¦

CBS. Is this going to be a mid-season replacement?

Mid-season. We’re doing 13 right now. Well, if they say successful projects like this are all about the writing I don’t think you’ll have too much difficulty. You look at shows like Lost and”¦

Yeah, I did an episode of Lost. I know this.

I don’t know where they’re going to go with it. They called me up and said”¦one of the producers called me up and said, “We’ve got this role of a con man. We want you to do it with,..” what’s his name, “Josh Holloway.” I interviewed him.

He’s great. Sweet kid. He’s from Georgia. We found that out in the van, we were riding to work together and he says, “So where you from?” and I say, “Atlanta. Where you from?” It was great. We had one scene together”¦but getting back to it I’ve been really lucky with my television stuff because, for years, I resisted the temptation to do TV and then I did the Soprano’s. Amazing. Loved your performance.

Oh, thank you. I did it and went, “Wow. This is some of the greatest writing.” And I denied myself the opportunity to do this, I’m an idiot. I want to do TV. Why do think you denied it for so long?

I just came into Hollywood in ’84 and it was always like if you’re going to be a film guy, be a film guy. Even if that meant doing films that went right to video, it didn’t matter, you were a film guy. You weren’t guest starring on television, you weren’t doing TV commercials, you weren’t, you were not doing it. You were scrounging around, making a living however you could, doing independent movies, popping in a studio movie here and there, you worked your way up. Man, when I got to Hollywood, fuck man, I lived in my car. I slept in my car out here. I didn’t have an agent, I didn’t have any of that shit, I started by doing a play in Hollywood”¦Hollywood is sort of like”¦jump in there, claw your way up as best you can, as fast as you can and I got started with Roger Corman, the king of the B-movies, and I never let go. Partly was I didn’t have really great representation, so I never got the opportunity to do television, never even auditioned, so I kind of became this guy who got passed around to director to director till eventually I auditioned for Renny Harlin who was the first audition I had just after I got into the union, he cast me on the spot, and the next guy I auditioned for was James Cameron and he cast me right on the spot.

How did that happen? How did you go from”¦

Fucking timing, man. It’s just, fuckin’, I don’t know how I did that. That’s God, baby, that’s not me. It’s just”¦I don’t know. It was desperate times for me; I needed a job. It’s me and my wife, I was fuckin’ broke, living in a $100 a month apartment in Hollywood, “You’ve got an audition for Jim Cameron tomorrow.” “Really? What am I?” “Just got to be an intense presence, that’s all we know, we don’t know what it is. We don’t know, no one knows. They’re just looking for somebody intense.” “Right. Ok.” You know, who knows? Who knows how all that stuff works. But, boy, did I need it. And, man, am I grateful, tell you that much right now.

And then you went on to reprise that role two more times”¦

Is it WAYNE’S WORLD? It was a nice little payday for a day’s work. And then Arnold called me up personally, I was doing ADR on a soundstage for some little movie I did and he called me up and said (affecting his best Arnold Schwarzenegger he can muster) “Robert”¦it’s Arnold. I want you to do what you did in the WAYNE’S WORLD for my LAST ACTION HERO movie. I will not pay you the same. HAHAHA…You’ll get SAG minimum, of course.” I went and did it. I did it. How do you say no to Arnold? You just go do it and it was great. It was a great day because Sharon Stone was there so there was a lot of eye candy.

Now, I’ve done a lot of research”¦

I want you to use that research! If I’d shut-up I’d let you be able to ask questions… (Laughs)

Well, that’s the thing. Even at your own website, Robert-Patrick.com, the handful of articles that you have posted there are all around the time TERMINATOR 2 came out. I was upset there hasn’t been more written about you since that time because you’ve been involved in dozens and dozens of projects”¦

I’ve done a lot. I’ve done 60 some-odd movies SINCE I did T2. The interesting thing is that the movies I am most proud of, not that I am not proud of T2 by any means, because I am”¦ach”¦this may be very boring to people”¦it might not be, I don’t know”¦I REALLY like where I’m at. It doesn’t mean I don’t want to have access to better material and do better parts but to come out here and to achieve what I’ve done, I did it all on my own, except with God’s help, obviously. I was an unknown when I was cast in T2 and everybody believed that character. So, having said that, anything I’ve done since, I’ve tried not being THAT guy. I tried to hide it.

Right.

And so we started with FIRE IN THE SKY. Which is the next big studio movie I did, I’m not the same guy. Totally different guy. Gained weight, grew a beard. That to me is what an actor is. What scares me is that I’m still that way. I guarantee you, we could walk out of here, right now, and someone would go, “Um”¦TERMINATOR.” And they won’t be able to list another fucking thing I’ve done. They’ll have a hard time trying to figure out what I’ve done since.

I’ve literally had people say, “Do you still work in movies?”

(Pauses)

And that’s fine. Because, whether they know it or not, when they do see me in a movie and they’re going, “Who the fuck is that guy?” it’s me and I’m an actor and you’re not going in there with a preconceived notion of who I am. It’s not my personality first. I’m not a guy who goes on Conan O’Brien or whatever and get this bright, shiny personality guy, I’m an entertainer, I’m funny fucking guy, I’m this, I’m that, I’m not that guy.

I work where guys like David Mamet write me the material, I work my ass off on it and then I interpret it and I bring that character to life. And whether you know it’s me or not it doesn’t matter, I still got paid either way, right?

But I literally think that there’s people that don’t realize it’s the same guy, it’s the guy who did the X-Files who did”¦(pauses) It’s a totally different personage and even John Doggett, John Doggett’s not…John Doggett has that New York accent, he’s closest to what I did in COPLAND but yet COPLAND is so far removed”¦

Another great movie.

Well, Mangold cast me for that and the thing for that was, “Shit, how am I going to do this New York accent? I’m the only guy from LA who doesn’t know”¦I’m not from fuckin’ New York. Now how the fuck do I do this?” I was in New York when I got it, I was doing press for STRIPTEASE. Right.

And if you haven’t seen STRIPTEASE, STRIPTEASE is the ultimate white trash, redneck”¦ Yeah, you’re rocking the mullet real well.

Yeah, I kind of got the mullet. I’ve kind of got a James Dean mullet going on but I got that part when I was in New York. I remember that. That was the big for me was sweating the fact that I was going to be working with De Niro and Keitel and all these guys who are so authentic with their accents. But I had a great guy, an actor buddy of mine, Arthur Nascarella, worked real hard with me on the accent. And I also went to New York and I did three weeks of ridealongs with the New York City police department and prepped for that so it gave me confidence before I went out there day one with those guys. But”¦Shit, I’m jumping all over. But I just think I’m one of those guys, no one knows anything about me, and therefore they believe, I hope, my theory is that they believe what they see when they see it and that’s what I’m hoping for. And, to me, that’s an actor.

Interesting story: sometimes I gauge, let’s say I have an interview, what people think when I say, “Oh, I have an interview coming up.” Let’s say it was when I was going to do Josh Holloway. “Who?” might be the best way to characterize the responses I got…

Well you would know Josh Holloway’s name before you would know my name, I would think. He’s probably got a much bigger TV Q”¦ Oddly enough, there’s a certain segment of the population who watches that KIND of program. And just this past week when I talked to the same people, people who have zero connection to the entertainment industry, I just wanted to gauge the response. “I’m going to LA to interview Robert Patrick.” Every single one of them, “Who?”

Who? “Who?”

Yeah, yeah. But, but, all I have to do is start dropping a few names. “T2,” Oh, I love that movie.” “COPLAND,” “Oh yeah, I fucking love that movie.”

Right, right, right. “X-Files”¦” In a way I have to believe that’s a good thing.

I think it’s a good thing. I think it’s a good thing but then I am also aware of the fact that, you know, I’m starting to starve for really good material. I mean I am fortunate that I am working for Mamet right now, fortunate that I am doing a Paul Haggis, FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS, with Clint Eastwood, I’m fortunate I just did a movie with Harrison Ford. I’m really fortunate that I am getting better material. I realize that you’re going to get that material, that name recognition thing kind of has to feed that, feed that beast as it were. It’s a celebrity orientated world, the business we’re in and, hence, I’m sitting here talking with you.

(I laugh)

Because we’ve got to get the name out there. I guess now I do got to try to”¦got to bring more attention to me and my work. Hopefully that will transfer into access to better material. I’d almost disagree with you on that point”¦

I don’t know, I don’t know”¦I mean I am just throwing this out there. I’ve been doing it 20 years one way”¦ Straight up, what I do, and to give you some idea it’s de regur to be assigned pieces, who you’re going to interview and what the angle is.

The Q rating. Yes.

“Look where he is on the Star Meter!” What the fuck is the Star Meter? “I am DB, professional Star Meter. You are a”¦600.” (Laughs) “Is that good or bad?” “Well, you want to be one.” “Oh, ok.” Yeah, you want to be profiled in US Weekly holding hands with your wife under the caption They’re Just Like Us! “They walk with their wives!” “They play with their kids!”

I’m following you”¦ The one thing that Tej, the publicist who made this meeting happen”¦

Yes, yes, wonderful woman”¦ I’m telling you, she couldn’t have said Robert Patrick fast enough. I mean, really, Joaquin? Probably would be a good interview. Reese? Probably a great interview. But, honestly, when it came to deciding who I wanted to talk to about this movie, you’re one I wanted to talk to the most.

No shit? Thank you. What I see, and this is just me, I think you have the kind of career most actors would like to have. People who start really hot, fade out and go away but you’ve worked at it, cultivated, and managed to work with some of the biggest talent there is. I mean I flew out here from Arizona just to talk with you.

Oh man, I am so, so thrilled”¦I hope you’re staying at this hotel. Nope. I’m leaving today.

(He starts laughing) I flew in this morning and I am leaving this evening. I’m telling you, I was not going to miss this opportunity.

Well, I hope I’m not a disappointment, one, I have to kind of constantly remind myself that I don’t need”¦I don’t need any outside”¦I’m not looking for other people to tell me I’m good”¦I’m not looking for any outside thing from the business, telling me, “Atta boy.” I’m really fine with the fact that if I take everything one day at a time, this is 12-step stuff but it’s the truth, if I take one scene at a time, if I take one project at a time, no matter what it is, no matter what circumstance I find myself in, it could be the shittiest movie of all time, but if I am in there and I am doing the best that I can and I am treating it’s something, then I am going to be ok. And I’ve tried to do that. I don’t know if that’s what’s helped me”¦I know there are a lot of actors when I started when I was in my early 20’s, my mid 20’s, 20 years, um, I don’t know where they are. And I don’t know what happened to them. A lot of them were a lot hotter than I was. I’ve always been focused on longevity. And, consciously or unconsciously, I take pride in”¦I ran into Bruce Willis last night at the premiere of Annie down the street. There’s a guy I worked with in 1989 and he still remembers me from that and he’s seen what I’ve done since. And, I like that. I like the fact that guys like him”¦David Chase will call me up and say, “No one would ever cast you this way but I will.” Or Chris Carter would go, “Hey. I saw FIRE IN THE SKY, I want you to be in my series.” I like that. I kind of feel weird talking about myself like this. I have dwelt on this a little bit. “Where are you?” “What are you doing?” “Where are you in this business?” “Where do you sit?” I don’t know.

I don’t know where I am right now. Right now I am doing this Mamet show and I am working for Clint Eastwood and I’ve got a movie coming out with Harrison Ford and I’ve got WALK THE LINE coming out. What’s going to happen next year? I don’t know. But, by God, I’ll be working, I’ll tell you that much.

What’s your drive to keep working, keep going?

I do feel like there’s a certain sense of I want to accomplish as much as I can in my craft. I am not like a guy who’s multi-faceted. I love acting, I really do, and I really feel like that’s the only place where I can really control, have control of my life, is what happens between “action” and “cut.” It’s the only time when I am allowed to do what I want to do even though I have a director telling me what he wants me to do but that’s really the only time when I’m the one who can do it. And it’s a neat kind of a thing. Of course I need all the guys with the cameras and the lighting guys, I need everybody else to be there or else it’s not worth doing but, really, I enjoy that. I get kind of restless if I don’t work for, weeks. I get like, “Whoa! What’s going on? Don’t we have something I can do somewhere?” I love acting.

And I feel like my best years are ahead of me. I don’t feel like I’ve had my best years yet. I still feel like the next 20 years is where the best stuff is going to be and I think that’s a healthy way to look at it but it’s honestly, truly, the way I feel.

I think there’s a lot of little movies that I’ve done that I’m most proud of like with Sam Sheppard, Diane Keaton and Diane Lane, I did a movie called THE ONLY THRILL. No one saw it. I’ve got a lot of these different kind of things out there that no one’s ever seen. I get that a lot of times. There’s a Law and Order: SVU aired that I just did where I played a rapist, a child rapist. I’ve always played bad guys. I’ve played some good guys you’ve just never saw it. You haven’t had a chance to see any of it. It wasn’t a wide released film, or it wasn’t a television show”¦

That was the first thing in your biography on IMDB.com. It says something to the effect that you’ve essentially played scurrilous, deviants”¦

Deviants, I don’t know if I’ve played that many deviants, have I? Well, I think in the general sense. There was the gambler in the Soprano’s”¦

Yeah, that’s true. The addicted gambler. Which turned out to be the smartest thing I ever did, doing that role. Because that had a big Hollywood fan base. A lot of people in Hollywood saw that. And I remember getting some meetings with some directors that didn’t want to see me before. It’s a lot easier to get in now. It’s a lot easier to get in and see people now. Is it that fickle?

I don’t know, you know, when I did TERMINATOR, and I go back to that because it’s the biggest thing I’ve done, I don’t think a lot people wanted to have that guy in their movie. It’s too recognizable. I’ve heard that from some people before. “You’re too recognizable from that movie.” I heard that a couple of times and that was immediately, “Well, I’m gonna gain some weight and grow my hair and grow a beard, fuck “˜em. They won’t ever recognize me.” I walked in, got FIRE IN THE SKY and the director went, “Wait a minute. You’re kidding me. He’s that guy from fuckin’ TERMINATOR 2? That’s the guy who just read for me? No fuckin’ way.” Anyway, I’m being redundant.

I love working with Joaquin. I’ve gotta tell you this. I’m gonna tell you two little things about Reese and Joaquin, if I may, if you don’t mind.

Of course.

Joaquin. I love working with Joaq. We did LADDER 49 together and we became good buddies. He’s very much like a little brother to me. And he was up at my house, some barbeque we were having, a bunch of guys, they were up at my house, I had my meeting with Mangold for WALK, and so I asked him, “Can I play your dad in WALK THE LINE? Are you going to be alright with it?” And he looked at me and he went, “What do you mean?” And I told him, “I am going to play your dad in WALK THE LINE.” I said, “Is that going to distract you or are you are going to be cool about it? Because I don’t want to do it if it’s going to fuck you up because I know how important this role is for you. I don’t want to be a distraction. Can you buy the fact that I can be your old man?” He scratched his head a little bit and went, “Yeah”¦Yeah, I like it. No way. You’re going to be my old man?” It was one of those moments. And, he was awesome. We had so much fun together. Really neat stuff. I’m really proud of him.

And another little thing I’ll tell you and I told this to Ryan Phillippe the other day as we were walking on FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS. He and Reese used to live down the street from us.

Five years ago my little boy was born. He was in intensive care at Cedar’s. And Reese came by, I had met her a few times, she had just waking down in front of my house, I would be digging around the yard or something, and she came by and said, “I heard your little boy was born. Is he home yet?” And I said, “No, momma and he are still at Cedar’s and coming home pretty soon.”

And, later that day, and this, I just think it’s a little thing, later that day there was about two dozen, fresh baked chocolate chip cookies. She buzzed my gate”¦little note from her and Ryan Phillippe”¦and this was five years ago”¦I was blown away by that and I was blown away by that for a couple of reasons. Being from Atlanta, being from the South, that’s a real Southern fuckin’ thing to do. And this is before LEGALLY BLONDE, and this is before she made that really big jump, I think she was right on the cusp. It was right after ELECTION. I remember talking to her about ELECTION, how great she was in that”¦And I was really really blown away by that. I mentioned this to her during WALK THE LINE, I introduced her to my son, “This is the boy, this is the one.”

I just think that’s a neat story because I think Reese is really that. I think she’s a genuine”¦she’s got a lot of that Southern sensibility that June Carter Cash had and I think it comes through in the film. Those two together just did and amazing job and so did James Mangold of portraying those two larger than life people and those are the stories I wanted to tell you about Reese and Joaq.

Absolutely. I guess if I could, the last question I have”¦

Did you get enough of your questions? (Laughs)

I’m a dangerous interview, dude.

(Laughs)

Get a little coffee in me and I’m gone”¦

I think the biggest thing I wanted to end with is now that you’ve gotten to the point where you are, your kids are growing up”¦

Right. You’re able to go into virtually any store, any video store and have these things to show your children and say, “This is what I’ve done”¦This is my work”¦” What does it mean to you to have movies like TERMINATOR 2 which will live on long after you and I are here”¦

Let’s hope so. Not so much DOUBLE DRAGON”¦

Yeah, but even in DOUBLE DRAGON there was some stuff in that performance that I liked, I had a lot of fun with that movie. My kids have seen SPY KIDS so they’ve seen their daddy. I took my daughter to the premiere of that. She did the whole red carpet and that was where she realized that I was an actor. She literally did. She sat in my lap and she turned around and looked at me”¦

(Robert looks back and forth, back and forth.)

She looked around and she was like 5. And it was awesome. And my kids, they know this is the family business and that mommy and daddy take care of daddy’s career and daddy’s an actor.

They’ve been on the set to visit me on the X-Files, every Friday night they would come down and I really tried to include them in that.

(Pauses)

I just want them to be proud of me. And provide for them just like anybody else. I’m trying to instill some good values in them as we walk through this minefield in Hollywood.

As I said before, I want them to be able and pick up that DVD of TERMINATOR 2 and say, “This is my old man. That’s my dad right there.” And, I think they are already. They’ve got a few of the action figures and they think it’s kind of cool.

But, you know, it’s a job. It’s just a job. It’s just a craft. As Harrison Ford explained it over a dinner one night, of the craft of acting, it really is a craft and you just get better at it the more you do it and the harder you work to refine it.


LOOKING FOR COMEDY IN THE MUSLIM WORLD (2006) Director: Albert Brooks
Cast: Albert Brooks, Mike Akrawi, Rauf Alaskarov, Barbara Ali
Release: January 20, 2006
Synopsis: To improve their relations with Muslim countries, The U.S. Government assigns comedian Albert Brooks to find out what makes the Muslim people laugh.
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Prognosis: For once, something I can actually watch by this guy.

Albert Brooks.

Sometimes I could just write that name and, depending on what mood I’m in, be completely knocked over with his brand, style and delivery of comedy or be shoving shreds of cork in my ears as his grating delivery of lines in FINDING NEMO makes me wonder who owed him a favor at Pixar. The man can find that kind of funny which isn’t always the best stuff to go after: the thoughtful laugh. He can be dense at times, trying too hard to be obsequious to the audience at other times when he’s doing crap like THE IN-LAWS, but, overall, he has managed to create a career with doing whatever the hell he wants when he wants.

With this film I have to give him props for having a title that has already drawn criticism. I’m surprised that a fatwa hasn’t already been issued with regard to the existence of this movie as I am sure we are only going to hear more about it as the release date comes closer. The opening lines of this trailer don’t help to minimize this issue.

“Millions of Muslims around the world hate our guts”¦”

We see the capitol building, a plane landing late at night and there is a smoky jazz soundtrack playing the background. Now, we have a chance to really rip into things and kick it off quick like a good trailer should but we’re bogged down early by the extended moment with former senator Fred Thompson (who’ll always be the overly stoic air traffic controller from DIE HARD 2) who is sitting down with Albert Brooks and saying blah blah blah find out what makes Muslims laugh. I don’t know if Albert had a hand in creating this trailer but I understand that this movie is going to skew to an older demographic. What gets me is that nearly a ¼ of this trailer is spent just setting up the premise. Once we get that Brooks is being sent to India and Pakistan to find out what makes them giggle we finally get going with seeing the actual subject of this flick.

In fact, this is the best part of the trailer: it’s one part Amazing Race, as we see the congestion which exists inside the most dense parts of India, and one part Frontline as Albert is shown wandering around a call center as people are heard saying, “Toys R Us, how can I help you?” and, “The White House”¦How may I direct your call?” That’s funny. That’s sharp. Unfortunately, it’s stuffed all the way in the middle of this cannoli.

We forage ahead, again, with the funny as Albert interviews people who are going to help him with his quest. The exchanges he has with the hopeful few are tinged with the kind of humor which is probably going to incite some conversation about what kind of movie this is but it’s genuinely interesting and effective, to me anyway, about what one can expect out of this film.

When you see Brooks take the stage and float a joke in English to a throng of Indians, purposefully horrible, and listen to his follow-up temperature-check about who in the audience can actually UNDERSTAND English it is, again, pretty good. Like I said, sometimes Albert’s mere presence on the screen feels like someone grating on my perineum with a rusty cheese slicer but I like him, I really like him.

As the trailer winds its way down, seeing snippets of Albert using a ventriloquist dummy which has its own turban, watching as Albert is blindfolded as he’s whisked over the border into Pakistan and the small little scene with a bit player who defends his own funniness should be seen as fairly good representations about what one can expect from this film. At first I honestly thought this was going to be a documentary but, as you find out, there is a tinge of romantic comedy percolating right beneath the surface. Be that a good or bad thing? I dunno but the one Indian who asks Albert if he’s a Jew and listening to Alberts’ response is, again, reassuring to me as a viewer.

November 4, 2005

Trailer Park: Robert Patrick

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | ARCHIVES By Christopher Stipp

November 4, 2005

PRECONCEPTION

T.M. McNally.

I had Professor McNally for a professor two classes in my graduate studies. He taught me to look at a subject with honesty, that there is no such thing as a symbol unless you can throw it through a window, how to write a novel in 8 easy steps but, most of all, he instilled in me the idea that you shouldn’t pander to an audience’s expectations but that it’s more important to be skilled and to enjoy the work even if no one else reads what you do; the world is better for your having written it.

When I was rushing out of a supermarket mere days before my interview with Robert Patrick, the man who shapes Johnny Cash’s world as he plays his father in WALK THE LINE, I ran into Prof. McNally after not seeing him, easy, for a couple of years. The encounter had everything to do in energizing the time I spent with Robert.

It was my complete respect for the teacher who I still would listen to as if a grade depended on it that I realized my place in being a writer is to observe the world through the shared experiences of others. Being mindful that it doesn’t matter who comes after me, whoever talks to Robert after me, having the ability to get close to him as a subject, knowing it a well as I could and acquiring the kinds of insights which have never come out before was what I intended to do with the time I was given.

Getting ready for the interview meant preparing and even before this interview was to begin I was already having ptoblems. It was damn near impossible to get any information on Robert. His own site Robert Patrick.com had only cursory interviews which really, if anything else, didn’t really inform who Robert was as an actor. Here’s a man who has worked for titans of film and television, if we really want to be honest, yet I wasn’t really given any insight into how this one man has made a career, a successful living, by flying just beneath the curves of popular culture.

As I walked alone into the darkened thoroughfares of the spindly Hotel Roosevelt on Hollywood Boulevard, slow and smoky techno music quietly providing an ambience that would’ve best been served with a small stiff drink and a cigarette for dangling, I sat down in a leather chair which threatened to consume me completely in all its largess and pondered. Thinking about what angle I was going to work, which is usually the result of what comes out of the research, I thought about not only my own admiration (read here: fanboy) for the man’s work but with there not a lot to go on with regard to his career I only managed to write out a couple of pages worth of questions to ask him. I was nervous, to be sure, as you never quite know how wiley a subject’s going to be. From everything I was able to read about Robert, that he was fairly low-key and enjoyed riding motorcycles, I started to formulate my own idea of Robert: A guy who would be at home in a small town bar, requistite with the one pool table in the corner with all the cigarette burns on the felt, drinking beer out of amber colored bottles and carrying on with whoever he has with to all hours of the night. He even seemed to me like a guy who wouldn’t shy away from a brawl if a push came to a shove and that he wouldn’t think first about his well-worn face but of who he would take out first.

I turned my head from my chair to see if the subject had arrived, checking my time to see that I was still a few minutes early, and that’s when I saw the crew-cut top peeking up and above a stately looking leather chair, scanning the five of us present in the vaulted ceiling space called a lobby and wondering who of us was Chris.

Walking up to him, introducing myself, looking at Robert in his jeans, black t-shirt and the inverted rainbow of chrome chain which was no doubt connected to a wallet which hung from his hip I wondered indeed if Robert would go toe-to-toe with a stranger. His grip, smile and the way he wiggled himself into the corner of his chair when we sat down told me there was no doubt this was one guy who had a story to tell and I was glad that right then I was there to hear it.


(Robert looks at the digital recording device on the arm rest of my chair and decides to crouch down to its level) TESTING. I’ll just lean like this.So, Elvis’ dad, Johnny Cash’s dad, lot of father figure acting going on”¦

Yeah, and what really broke me into that was playing Matt Damon’s dad in ALL THE PRETTY HORSES. I think that when I said “Yes” to that role it’s opened me up to play the dad of all these young, punk actors.

But, they’re great parts. I’m actually the right age for it. WALK THE LINE I play Ray Cash, Joaquin’s Johnny Cash, and I think they had me as young as”¦I was supposed to be as young as 37 and then I go all the way to 65. And with the aid of some nice age make-up, I also wear a fat suit, a middle-age fat pad. Vernon [Elvis’ father], of course, is totally thin and two guys, two totally different guys. The irony of the situation is I did WALK THE LINE in Memphis and, while I am in Memphis, of course, I had to make my pilgrimage to Graceland. And I guess we shot it last summer? A little over a year now and I didn’t know I was going to play Elvis’ dad. I was there playing Johnny’s dad and I was there soaking up as much research as I could, doing as much as I could to do the picture. I went to Graceland a couple of times to check it out, I’m a huge Elvis fan, I’m a huge Johnny Cash fan, the irony that I am playing the dad of both those guys, or I have, is not lost on me. Two totally different guys, the Elvis dad paid better, for those of you wondering what are your motives to play the father of two Southern rock stars.

It was really fascinating. My family came into Memphis and I drove them down to Tueplo, we saw where Elvis was born. It was weird”¦when we were doing WALK THE LINE unbeknownst to me I was doing a little research on Vernon. Vernon doted on Elvis, not as much as Gladys [Elvis’ mother], he much more of a dandy, good looking guy, pretty much after Gladys died he had another girlfriend but he was willing to be on Elvis’ payroll, really looked after the boy, really tried to the best he could for him and I would say, between Vernon and Ray Cash, Vernon would be the laziest. Ray Cash, Johnny’s daddy, really hard worker. Went off to World War I, came back, raised his kids, was a sharecropper, a cotton picker.

Like, Vernon bounced a check. Vernon went to jail for bouncing a check at one time, trying to make some money, wrote a bad check. Ray Cash would never do that. It was more of a, “I’m going to work hard to provide for everybody” kind of a guy. Now he was a tough, tough dude. And, obviously, Johnny was afraid of his daddy his whole life for whatever reason. The old man really struck fear in John. Or, J.R. as we called him, Johnny Cash was actually named J.R. he wasn’t named Johnny, he came up with that himself later but it’s neat to play those two guys because it’s part of a history, the 50’s and 60’s, both those guys came through Sun Records, both those guys came up through Memphis, both those guys brought the black sound of music, the blues, the soul, the gospel to their recordings, they were contemporaries of each other and, as I said, the dad’s couldn’t have been more different.

But, interestingly enough, both of the fathers, neither one of them really believed in the music.

They were much more pushing their kids to like”¦Like in Elvis’ case [Vernon] was pushing him to get him into Crown Electric, “Keep driving the truck for Crown Electric, get your benefits, da-da-da”¦” And with J.R. Cash it was, “That music, it’s nothin’. There’s nothing you can do with it. It’s not like where you pick cotton, you work all day. It’s nothin’. Don’t waste your time with it. You’re daydreaming.”

And the other thing that’s fascinating that both Johnny and Elvis lost brothers. So, both fathers dealt with the loss of a son. One was a stillborn baby, the twin of Elvis, and the other was a circular saw accident. J.R. lost his older brother who really was the favorite of the two to Ray Cash, most probably because he was the hardest worker and he could get more work out of him in a workday. Because you’ve got to remember, back in the 30’s, during the Great Depression, when people really were just fighting to survive, they didn’t have all the stuff we have now, really fighting day-in day-out trying to put food on the table. Ray Cash had seven kids and one of the main reasons was so that he could have more hands out there picking in the field. He had more kids to provide for but he had more workers. I’m so fascinated with that whole time period, I love the 50’s, I love the 60’s, and for a guy from Atlanta, Georgia to play Elvis’ daddy and now J.R. Cash’s daddy in the same 12-month period is, you know, really special to me. I really enjoyed it. Both totally different projects, one was a TV mini-series and the other is a real hardcore film, a real independent film, had a very independent feel, and, anyway, I went on about that for a very long time. It’s just a fascinating time to think about, and I’ll tell you a little thing, when Mangold asked me to do the part and even though I am from the South I just got into my car and I drove from LA to Dyess, Arkansas, and found the house where they lived.

I heard you stood on the porch”¦

There ain’t no porch there but I did stand in the front yard.

I did find Elvis’ birthplace. I went to his front porch in Tupelo. But to get to J.R’s place in Dyess, you’ve got to imagine you come flying out of L.A. and, God, as soon as you get out of L.A. you just start feeling L.A. stripping away from you. Now, you’re getting back in there and you cross that continental divide, you just feel America. It’s really amazing, especially if you spend your time flying over it. To really get down there and get in it”¦It did what I wanted it to do. Just got my psyche in the right place. It was so easy to find Johnny’s house. It’s a shack, it’s a fuckin’ shack. It’s falling apart, the old guy that lives there is this while old guy, I think his name is Brown, Willie Brown, something like that, I’ve got a picture of he and I, I gave him a cigar, we smoked a cigar, shootin’ the shit about Johnny, and when Johnny was here for the Christmas thing and how he carved his initials here but it’s unchanged except that it’s soy, it’s soy beans now that’s being grown on the fields besides cotton. But you know what was really neat was when I got there and I went, “God, this ground zero. This where a little boy named J.R. Cash started daydreaming about being a singer.” Listening to the Carter Family on the radio”¦that stuff just really fascinates me. I love that stuff.

Did you find that there was a darker side to Johnny Cash? I was doing some research where it said that Johnny’s dad was emotionally and physically abusive”¦

Yeah.

But Johnny came out, and there’s a quote where he says it, and said that, “My father was a man of love. He always loved me to death. He worked hard in the fields, but my father never hit me. Never. I don’t ever remember a really cross, unkind word from my father.” Why, then, is there a disconnect”¦

Yeah, why the two different”¦What I got is”¦and there’s some stuff I can’t say because I really don’t think Johnny Cash wants it said about his old man and I read that too. And then I read our script. And I knew our script had been approved by Johnny. And our script was developed when Johnny was alive and Stacey Keach had the project and James Mangold, they were all developing it and they ran everything through John and I DID get that. I read that in the autobiography but I really think that comes out of the fear Johnny has of his old man.

This is what I know of Ray Cash: he never laid a hand on his kids. He never laid a hand on his wife. But the threat was there. It could happen. And, evidently, he led them to believe it could happen. I could never find where Johnny had said his dad abused him or did anything to the mother or any of the other kids but he did stuff like”¦and you know what I’m not picking on Ray Cash because I am about to defend Ray Cash and I want to defend him right now. Those were hard time; hard fuckin’ times in America and this guy is trying to do the best he can. The way he raised his kids is what he felt was the right way to do it for the time, he was a hard man.

There was a dog that Johnny talked about and Ray Cash took it out into the field and killed it and he killed it because he didn’t have the money to pay for the food. He didn’t want to have to pay money for the scraps, the thing was bothering him and he went out and killed the dog. Now, Johnny never forgave him for that and he wasn’t supposed to find it but he found the dog and Ray Cash had done it. I called Johnny’s sister and I asked about”¦I asked her what she thought about it. I said, “This is pretty intense stuff and it really seems to me like jealousy.” And she said that Ray Cash could sing. He actually had a pretty good voice and the same was true of Vernon, he actually sang too, and I wondered if there was a little bit of jealousy over the boy, the fact that he figured out a way to make a living at it.

His sister told me, and she was pretty proud of Ray, the things you hear is that Ray always provided. If he couldn’t do it picking cotton he’d jump on a box car and go ride the train somewhere, come back with some money somehow. He was always putting it together. You couldn’t accuse Ray Cash of being lazy. Emotionally distant? Yeah, very much so.

I think he thought Johnny was full of shit to a certain degree. No matter what Johnny did”¦like, “Your house isn’t big enough.” Like, “What do think of my house, Daddy?” “Well, it’s not as big as Jack Benny’s. You think you’re hot shit, kid.” There was a lot of that. There was a lot of that pulling him down, not letting him have it, not giving it to him, not saying, “Hey, I’m proud of you.” There’s none of that. There’s none of that stuff going on.

Really?

Seriously, that’s in his autobiography. He’s always afraid that, “I’m afraid to say anything about my daddy because I might run into him in the afterlife.”

Ray had a drinking problem but he gets it under grip, Ray Cash gets it under control. So, when Johnny had a problem”¦and another thing, I think he was always busting Johnny on the fact that Johnny seemed to work real hard at trying to make people believe that he went to jail, was in prison. This is what I heard, I think I say it in the movie, I can’t remember, it’s been so long since I shot it, I think it’s something like when Johnny gets arrested for barbiturates in Mexico [Ray] says something like, “Well now you ain’t going to have to work so hard to make people believe you’ve been in prison.” It’s that kind of thing. I think that as you look”¦Reese’s character talks in the movie like, “Yeah, you just happened to wear black.” Like, “You didn’t think, “˜I’ll wear black.’ You just sort of happened to do it. You just happened to do this and you have to do this.” Like, there isn’t ever any intentional preconceived kind of contrived, “This is the image I want to put out there.” Everything just sort of happens. Well, I think his old man kind of saw, “You’re really trying to project yourself as being a badass but you ain’t that tough.” So, there’s that kind of thing I always though there was definitely some jealousy.

Now, whereas Vernon, I don’t mean to be talking about these two, because, to be honest with you, the mini-series was a mini-series and I feel that WALK THE LINE is on a whole other level. But, Vernon was much more willing to participate and enjoy the fruits of Elvis’ labor with him. Whereas I don’t think that Ray Cash, even though Johnny bought him like a trailer park, something like that, he managed that or something like it, I think that Ray had a hard time accepting anything from Johnny.

[Johnny] says something interesting in his autobiography when he says, “I buried my old man and I haven’t been back there to see it. I haven’t been back to his grave once.” Some real, hard, tough fuckin’ love.

How did you bring all of this to your performance?

It’s cold. It’s still”¦

It bothers you? You’ve got two kids of your own”¦

Yeah, I’ve got two real kids. I have to watch it with my kids. It’s interesting. I’ve got a little boy that’s 5. I’m big. He’s little. And you can scare the shit of him if you want to, you know?

(Pauses)

And I see now from a kid’s point of view”¦I have to remind myself to get down on my knees and get at his level and not frighten him, do you know what I mean?

I have a little girl that’s 2 and she’s now starting that phase in her life when she’s fighting back and I see that happening.

You just”¦You know you just don’t realize you have to think back to what it was like to be a kid and look up at this giant man, 6 foot tall, 200 pounds, what that must look like to a kid. You’re like Darth fucking Vader. And you’ve got to get down on that level if you want to have a relationship with them.

See, I don’t think”¦going back to these guys, I don’t think Ray Cash and those guys, definitely Ray, I don’t know about Vernon, but Ray didn’t have time for this. It was about, “We’ve got fields to pick, we’ve got hogs to slaughter, we’ve got stuff that we’ve got to do. And I’m expecting you kids to get your asses out there tomorrow and pick cotton from sun up to sun down.” And they were out there when they were like 3, you know? So, you know, I couldn’t do that to my kid, you know what I mean?

My kids, I spoil them. I’m all about loves and hugs and really expressing it that way. It just made me appreciate the relationship I have with my children. Hopefully they’ll appreciate it too. I’m much more participatory I think than”¦one of the neat things about being an actor is that I got a lot of free time on my hands, sometimes. Sometimes. So, there’s a month or two when I can spend some time, I can take them to school, I can be around, let them get used to me, take my son to t-ball. Even when I’m coaching him in t-ball I’ve got to be careful, you know? I’ll turn out like Vic Morrow from BAD NEWS BEARS. You’ve got to back pedal it a bit. But, yeah, I’ve got an 8 ½ year old and a 5 year old. They’re the best. They’re the best. You’ve got a 2 year old so you know. Terrible 2’s!

We just stuck her in her own bed and now she’s crying every night, begging to get out of her room, just begging”¦

You know it’s actually”¦it’s actually really good. They are looking for you to define their world for them and let them know and you have to participate and you have to tell them, “No.” And, as much as you want to give into it, it’s better for them, they’re going to be better off knowing the difference between yes and no and not always getting their way. It’s loving them much better than it is than just totally relenting and letting them…I see, especially in L.A., kids raised entirely by nannies and”¦.you’re creating a monster. You’ve got to get in there, you’ve got to roll up your sleeves and get dirty a little bit and let these kids know, “This is right, this is wrong, this is acceptable, this is not.” I wish they give you a handbook when you’re a parent and who knows but it actually shows more love, really getting in there and really explaining things to them.

You like that responsibility of fatherhood?

Love it.

Yeah, it’s cool.

I have friends who have kids and don’t want the responsibility of them. Some have said that, “Before I had kids I didn’t think I wanted them and now that I do have one I realize I really didn’t want them.”

Oh really? That hurts. That hurts. I love my kids. My kids are the greatest things that I will ever produce. I love the responsibility that’s been bestowed upon me. I just love the fact that it just gives me one more reason to go out there and work harder. One more reason to go out there and try harder. It gives me another reason to go out there and be a better person.

It’s funny, you’re doing something and you’re kinda going, “I want them to be proud of me.” I don’t want them to cringe when someone brings up their old man. I want them to be proud of their dad. So, that’s an added benefit I think you get.

I’ve been with my wife now for 21 years”¦

Congratulations”¦

Yeah”¦we actually had our wedding reception here at the Roosevelt, way back when it was uncool. It was totally uncool. The only thing cool about the Roosevelt at the time was that it had the big Hockney pool painted out there.

Oh really?

Which is still there. Thank God they didn’t cover that up.

Man, I don’t know”¦something about the way I was raised”¦I come from sort a blue-collar upper-middle class”¦my father was blue-collar, made it to middle-class and by the time I left he was upper-middle class. There’s something about the values, you know, maybe Atlanta, the Midwest, movin’ around all over, I’m just really into fatherhood and institutions like marriage really mean a lot to me. So does religion, you know?

And that’s another thing that’s really interesting with J.R. is that, talking about Johnny, and the fact that when he goes way off, when he’s really killing himself that he can’t have June Carter, when she finally gets him back into Christianity he changes his life forever. Here you’ve got this man who really understands darkness and yet is a born-again Christian. It’s fantastic. It’s an interesting juxtaposition.

What made him so cool like to go to a prison? That’s a great idea, “Let’s go record a record in a prison! “˜Cause, God knows, they need it.” They’re going to be a receptive audience.

I really miss Johnny Cash. I don’t know how I got back to that other than”¦you know”¦I was thinking that I miss the fact that he’s gone. I always liked knowing he was alive. I don’t how else to say it other than that. He’s really the kind of guy”¦you just miss the fact that he’s not around. Does that make sense?

Did he represent something to you?

Yeah, he really did. I remember when that record came out, even before that, hearing Johnny Cash. The voice was scary. He was a dangerous man. He was a dangerous guy. I always thought he WAS in prison. That goes back to when I was 5, 6, 7, 8 years-old whenever I first remember consciously hearing Johnny Cash.

Anyway, I digress.

(Leans into the microphone)

HOW ARE WE DOIN’?

That’s high quality. Is it recording?

Yeah.

I hope so”¦

Oh, shit, I hope it is. It happened one time that”¦

(Robert laughs)

Did it really?

Yeah, many months ago, I ran out of space. I had a half-hour interview and it stopped at 13 minutes. I had no idea. It’s alright though, I recovered from that”¦

You can remember everything”¦

Didn’t remember everything but I embellished quite nicely.

(Robert laughs)

Come back to this space next Friday for Part 2 of my discussion with Robert as we chat about his past, present and future within the Hollywood system.


SLITHER (2006) Director: James Gunn
Cast: Nathan Fillion, Elizabeth Banks, Michael Rooker, Gregg Henry, Tania Saulnie
Release: March 31, 2005
Synopsis: The sleepy town of Wheelsy could be any small town in America ““ somewhat quaint and gentle, peopled with friendly folks who mind their own business. But just beneath the surface charm, something unnamed and evil has arrived”¦and is growing. No one seems to notice as telephone poles become clogged with missing pet flyers, or when one of the town’s richest citizens, Grant Grant (Michael Rooker), begins to act strangely. But when farmers’ livestock turn up horribly mutilated and a young women goes missing, Sheriff Bill Pardy (Nathan Fillion) and his team, aided by Grant’s wife Starla (Elizabeth Banks), uncover the dark force laying siege to their town”¦ and come face-to-face with an older-than-time organism intent on absorbing and devouring all life on Earth.
View Trailer:
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Prognosis: Oh, I get it…Der!… This is an interesting way to start a trailer.

Instead of coming out of the gate with original content we begin by rolling a series of “spooky” movies which have come out before this one with accompanying dates for those keeping score in which decade they came out. I’m not sure this is such a splendid idea considering that it feels like you’re trying to co-opt the success of others before this one establishes itself worthy enough to stand side-by-side. The more I dwelled on the opening the more I wondered why you would even allow all these other flicks to be commingled with the original “vision of horror” this film most certainly apes, wants, to be.

“They”¦were”¦all”¦sissies”¦”

I get it. They were goofing on all of them? The Ratt-esque A-chord guitar stylings in the background just say it all as the horror unfolds right before our collective consciousness. You’ve got what looks like maggots with “˜roid issues slithering, how creative, their way across the lawn of some unsuspecting suburban homeowner. Cut quickly to some telemarketer sitting at her desk, unaware, then fully cognizant of the shower of these mealy little maggotoids as she shrilly lets out a howl in terror. You’ve got the requisite woman, who’s alone of course, slowly walking down her basement steps and is jolted to find an aberration, created by these little things, as she too lets out her own howl.

I will admit that I was a little ornery when this thing started. I didn’t quite understand that this movie seems to be a blend of horror and comedy. The music is goofier than fuck, you’ve got my main man Stan, Michael Rooker, who really should consider doing some kind of project with Clint Howard, and even the likes of Nathan “Mr. Browncoat” Fillion and IT girl Elizabeth Banks are weirdly cast in this thing. The whole project is a hodgepodge of talent, schlock (in a good way), B-movie style and that kind of irreverence which made me a huge fan of GHOULIES and most every flick put out by Troma pictures in the mid 80’s which my mother would’ve tanned me for had she known I was such an avid consumer of them.

The effects are sticky green as we see the decimation of these little slithering things and even the freak outs, like that of Elizabeth, which make horror flicks so great to watch. I have to assume that because of what’s being shown, and the guy who is behind the lens, that this is some kind of macabre mixture of old fashioned spookiness and an over-the-top delivery which no major studio today would bank their dollars on.

I have to give it up to this trailer, though, because, like I said in the beginning, I thought the opening sequence was a little presumptuous but as you roll through this thing you see the strengths of the movie’s director/writer as clear as anything else. This kind of movie splits people into those camps we all know is so easy to put a label on, Like It or Hate It, but it works in this film’s favor because, and this is not knowing what kind of budget this was made from, as long as it does marginally well at the box office it should reap many dollars in the home movie market as this looks like a cheap thrill. It’s great to see Universal throwing this thing a few bucks as flicks like this are much needed in an age when every film, it seems, nowadays is trying to be “Oscar” worthy.

In an age when bigger and flashier is better, nothing beats the chick at the end of this trailer who is the twice the size of Violet in WILLY WONKA before they have to squeeze her; she’s not quite the gargantuan proportions of a Bob McKenzie in STRANGE BREW after he drank all that beer but it’s close.

Don’t miss taking a peek at this trailer. It’ll be the schlockiest thing you’ll see today.

October 14, 2005

Trailer Park: Harold Perrineau of LOST

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | ARCHIVES By Christopher Stipp

October 14, 2005

LOST

The name Harold Perrineau should look familiar.

The name may not sound familiar but you see his name every week as throngs of people study every scene from ABC’s Lost. Harold plays Michael Dawson, the man who seemingly has nothing going for him. His wife left him, gets himself into an accident, has his kid taken away, gets him back only to find out the kid doesn’t much care for him one way or the other, gets caught up in the middle of plane crash, survives only to have said kid still not want to have anything to do with him, builds a boat to get himself off the island he’s marooned on, watches it burn right in front of him, re-builds it only to have his kid snatched away by unshaven and unkempt salty dogs, watches his second boat get blown up real good, makes it back to the island by the grace of God and gets imprisoned into an earthen hole with little hope that his life is going to get any better.

Harold has contended with having a character that’s seemingly beset on both sides by bad luck and bad karma. Whether any of this is going to get better for the man Harold is simply happy developing a believable, emotionally strong man who knows that his life may not be easy but it’s worth fighting for every single day of his life.

Getting to talk to Harold about his involvement with Lost was just a small fraction about what I was really interested in. Here is a guy who played in one of the biggest franchise films to date, THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS and THE MATRIX RELOADED, one of the most galvanizing cable television shows on HBO, Oz, a full year before Sex and The City and a good two before The Soprano’s made their dent into the viewing habits of people turning their attention to network television. Talking with someone of his acting pedigree was, for lack of a better superlative, most interesting because he has been there, he has seen it all but there’s still that gnawing feeling, as you see, that he would like you to know him by his name and not just recognize the letters as they roll on and off the screen every Wednesday night.

We talk abut Lost, to be sure, but we also delve into issues of how he develops a character that is seemingly lost, himself, when it comes to connecting with his only son. What is it that drives a father who’s not quite of how to be a father and of an actor who wants to create a role that might be able to achieve some sense of quietude in a landscape that’s filled up with a host of obstacles that won’t relent? Harold was generous enough to field all these questions and gave me an idea of where he’d like to go from here.

You can now purchase Season 1 of Lost by going HERE and you can catch Harold on Lost every Wednesday night on your local ABC station.


One of the things that I saw that interested me when I was at the Comic-Con this year was the panel discussion with Josh Holloway, Maggie Grace and others from the show was how the producers simulated the plane crash in the airliner. It wasn’t on a lift but it was done real TWLIGHT ZONE style with everyone moving in tandem at the exact moment. Yeah, they do a lot of those homage kind of things which I think is pretty cool. So what else did they show? Was it the stuff that that was going to be on the DVD?Yeah, although I think you may have been saved because some of the questions asked to Josh and Maggie were a little”¦

Right, right.

Were you able to take the summer off?

Yeah, it was strange, and not strange in a bad way, but my wife is an actress as well and because she opted to come to Hawaii where there is no real work for her to get, like she got to do two episodes of Lost, that was it, we opted to go back to LA to give her time to go audition.

So, while she was here auditioning I started this whole new workout program, get in great shape, and by the time it was all done there were hardly any auditions and I was really tired.

(Laughs)

It wounded up not being really a vacation at all.

I know you’re the father of a 10 year-old girl”¦

Which means there is never any vacation time.

Have you been able to spend time together, as a family, through all of this?

Yeah, we got to do a few things, We’ve been to Disneyland, which is a good thing. Her best friend came in from New York and we all got to go Disneyland. And because Lost is a Disney show we got to get a guide who would take us on the Fastpass. She got to go on all the rides she wouldn’t have otherwise been able to go on which was really cool.

We just got to do a lot of things you just can’t do when you’re on the island. We got to jump in the car and go to San Francisco; you can’t do that when you’re on Ohau. Like, over there, you can jump in the car and go from one end to the island to the other end of the island and go back home so we got to do a few things like that. She got a lot of horseback riding in, some pottery, she had fun.

But now her summer really begins because she has a lot of friends in Hawaii from school and they’re all off for the summer so, when we go back next week, they’ll all be running around all summer. She’s got an extended summer which is really good for her.

I can relate only because when I’m not around my little girl I like to know that she’s occupied.

How old is she?

She just turned 2 on July 4th.

Wow”¦

I’m just learning this. I think I see that it’s all well and good to mentally prepare to be a parent but once you have one something changes inside of you..

You sound like my brother whose daughter is 1 now and he’s so like, everything, that’s all he can think about. It’s an amazing thing to be able and watch.

It is and that’s one of the things I was thinking about when I was setting up this interview. Your character on the show has a troubled, real troubled, relationship with his son. How hard was it to get into that mindset? Obviously, a part is a part, an actor is an actor, but how did you get to the point of where you could play the part of someone who was a dad but not a father?

That really wasn’t so hard.

There is that one part of me, Harold Perrineau, that really enjoyed his bachelor life, you know what I mean? And once I tapped into that feeling of, “I’m a bachelor! I’m a bachelor! Aww”¦I’ve got this”¦”

It makes it really helpful for that process. Sometimes I was less of a method actor than I am as I think I give myself more trouble in my life than I need to but that’s the only way I can do it. Sometimes it can be a little painful walking around with it but because Malcom [his son in the series] is a really good and we’re in Hawaii it was worth it, It was good timing.

And this season I think, depending how it goes, I think it will be a little bit more, once he gets the kid back, after him being lost, who knows where it will go”¦

And that’s the kind of thing I was getting from Josh and Maggie was that every week you really don’t know what is going to happen. Are you really just flying by the seat of your pants with a few hours notice?

Well, we have more than a few hours, with the exception of the last episode. We literally got the lines for the scenes the night before we shot but normally we get about a week of preparation. And luckily for me, this year, there weren’t huge sweeping stories that I had to prepare for. So, luckily for me, when it did come you had to wrap your mind around a bunch of stuff really really quickly.

I’m not used to working that way, in that way that I like to try different things, but it was good for me. And it will be good for me this year to see how creative I can actually be.

I know you have no control over it but do you have aspirations of where your character should go? Like do you think, “You know, I hope this guy comes around”¦”

(Laughs)

I totally do. I have aspirations that not only does he come around but that he gets to be the hero and eventually gets to have some luck. A lot of what happens to Michael Dawson is that he’s had a lot of bad luck. Bad things keep happening over and over and over. So, there’s a part of me that hopes he has some good luck, that some good things happen to him. Then there’s that other part of me that wants to explore what happens to people who have bad luck like that all the time. Like, what kind of person does that make them and then, on the island, what kind of person does that make them on the island? Because none of the rules apply anymore.

The only rule that applies to Michael is that his bad luck will continue.

(Laughs)

He gets hit by a car, his girl leaves him, she takes his kid, he has a hard time working, gets into a plane crash”¦whatever.

Don’t forget about the boat”¦

Oh, and his boat gets burned down”¦What is good in this man’s life?

Have you got to the point where you look at the script and say, “Are you serious? You’re gonna have this thing happen to him this week?”

I did, I did say that when he first almost gets drowned but then when I started to read his backstory I thought, “You’ve got to be kidding me”¦No one has luck that bad.”

And when I found out that they were kidnapping the kid I asked them if they were serious because what did he do in a past life to deserve this?

Yeah, they obviously kidnapped him at the end of the episode, and speaking of aspirations, are you concerned of where this might go?

Yeah, absolutely I’m concerned about what it’s going to be like. All I can think of is what would happen if for five minutes someone took my daughter.

God”¦

Exactly. Exactly. You’re exactly right. And so I’ve got to imagine this is going to be the first couple of episodes, however long it is, and I can only imagine this is going to be heart-wrenching, gut-wrenching kind of agony.

I can’t imagine”¦

Exactly. It’s almost unimaginable. So, I’ve been reading things lately about people who’ve had kids who were taken. What they did, how they responded, just to give me an idea of what to feel but I’ve never, thank God, been in that position.

Are the shooting days long? Are you ever shooting late and having to call home to say you’re not going to be there?

Well, it’s different, because she’s 10 and is becoming more of an individual so that’s pretty helpful. And since they’re there with me on the island, on days that it’s light they come to the set with me and they get to hang out and get to know the whole cast. Or, if I have a half day of shooting I’ll go and meet them somewhere or I’ll go pick her up from school.

The days that I don’t work I wake up early and go to school with them so I just, when we do have the time, to make the time to be there with them. And then there’s still, not just time for work and for the family, but for myself.

Exactly.

So there’s a bit of me trying to make it all work. That’s the part that I get the least amount of and I got to figure out a way to get a little bit more.

Oahu is certainly small so where does one go to get that kind of personal time? To get away from everyone else?

I usually just park my car.

We live on the east end of the island and sometimes I literally just park the car at a beach in-between. It’s like, “I can’t go home right now.”

Filmic aspirations. You’ve got this great thing happening on television and did great things in THE MATRIX films. Do you actively seek out projects you could do in your downtime?

Lost is a particular thing for me. I didn’t really pick it because I thought it was a good job. I took it because I felt I needed to make a change in the way my career was going and what I mean by that is that I’ve been doing pretty well in movies and TV stuff and everything I seem to do is fringe stuff.

The MATRIX films are like the biggest things I’ve done and it did well but they didn’t do as well as the first one. And so what I felt like was that what I needed”¦I didn’t realize it before but part of being a part of acting is how many people know your name and how much audience you can bring in and that’s how you get a chance to work. And before it was like I didn’t care, I was just like “whatever, I just want to do the work.” Now I want to do more work and so I feel like my contemporaries, the Don Cheadles and Jeffrey Wrights, those guys, those guys whose names are out there a little more and get the films, I figured I needed to have my name out there a little more. That was part of the reason I decided to take Lost.

So, that’s a long way of saying that between seasons I do actively look for work but this year there was nothing that came up and I didn’t want to do stuff just to do stuff but I do want to continue to move forward. I really want to have a long career as far as films go because I really love making films. And even as far as going back to New York and doing Broadway, doing things like that, I am just trying to put myself in the position where my name will ring just like when you hear Don Cheadle’s name.

Yeah, even when I was telling people that I was going to have the chance to interview Harold from Lost everyone pretty much needed me to explain who you were on the show before they understood it was you, the actor, I was talking about.

And that’s why I thought this was a really great project to do.

You bring up theater and one of the first things that came to my mind was that you are classically trained, as I know you’ve done Shakespeare, Baz Lurhman’s ROMEO AND JULIET and guys like Hugh Jackman are up there winning awards for the work they’re doing OFF the screen. Is that an avenue you’d like to go down?

Oh yeah, it’s totally an aspiration of mine to create, or recreate, a great role on Broadway. I love being in New York and that’s the community I grew up in, of doing theater and things like that. I’d love to, and not that I haven’t already got to work with some fantastic pieces of theater throughout my life, and I’d like to continue that.

I like the venue. I like the live-ness of the theater. I like the unpredictability. That moment, that night, with these people. I love that.

I love that I’m in a mass medium where if you ask me to put up a picture a billion people all across the world”¦but I like the special-ness of theater. I really really do.

And that’s the other thing: you can have a career in theater but until you make a NAME in theater you can’t really make a living.

I know everyone else on the show has their own animal, their own beast, their own past but since you’re really the only one on the island with a kid how you create a dynamic between yourself and Malcom where there seems to be constant friction? Did the two of you talk and say to each other, “Well, this is where I’m coming from”¦”

Well, with Malcom I felt it was my job to analyze where he was coming from and I assessed that pretty quickly that he’s really an innate actor. His stuff just comes. He just learns his lines, he comes and he does it. And that’s how it works for him. So, we didn’t have to talk about it. You can give him a direction and he can just figure it out and go that way.

In the first couple of weeks I explained, to his mom at least, not that I wouldn’t be friendly but we wouldn’t be hanging out so much because he’s really charismatic and a lot of fun and kids, you begin to almost immediately, unless they’re a pain in the ass, most kids you almost immediately find a fondness for. I just let him know in the beginning that I’d stay away more than I would be around. I wouldn’t be so talkative and we would just go and do our work.

And as that plan began to fall apart”¦(Laughs)”¦Like a kid, he just keeps coming”¦I realized I had to just be really specific when I did do things. Like when I would touch his hand or touch his hair or he would stand there with his hand on my shoulder and I would say, “Hey, Malcom, in this scene we can’t”¦” and he would be all, “Right, right, right”¦.”

And then when there were moments of fondness or tenderness, because we already had that with each other those moments were bigger, they were greater because we already had an affection for one another. So, that we didn’t have to talk about. We just had to be there and do it.

I just had to watch it when I could. The difficult thing is that he’s such a great kid, and he likes me, that whenever I had to yell at him he would just start laughing. (Laughs) I would say, “C’mon, Malcom, come on, man, cut it out.” In those first five months if I had to say anything negative he would just start laughing. Especially on my close-ups. Not his. That? No laughter. Mine? Cracking up.

I know that when my editor, last summer, said that if there was one show I should be watching in the fall it should be Lost. And I know that as the weeks grew on there was an aggravation level built into each week. You’d know more about X but you would just be introduced to Y. When you watch the show is there a frustration level on your part as well as you see how these puzzle pieces all seem to be random? Or do you start thinking, “Oh, they should’ve tied this story up in this place.”

I can’t speak for everyone but I know, for me, I am pretty satisfied. There is one thing that does frustrate me endlessly, and I don’t know if it is you I should be saying this to, or to the writers, is that the script we do get when we finally do get it, you make choices on your character based on the scenes and the lines that are in the script. But then, inevitably, whenever they go back and edit the show or do those things, like “This doesn’t work, that doesn’t work”¦” or they run out of time or, “This is too long,” and they start editing it. And then, what inevitably happens, is that every time you see something, you realize you made all these choices, the choices don’t necessarily make sense anymore. Because they’ve cut them in a really funny way. They’ve cut out a line or they’ve cut out a word.

There was a scene with a hatchet that I had with Daniel. And there’s a huge part of it that they completely took out which justifies most of what I did. But with that being cut out it looked really different to me. If I knew those were the words I would’ve played it different.

So, that winds up being a little frustrating. Or you see something you go, “Oh! They ended it this way now? If I knew they were going to end it like this I would’ve”¦” Know what I mean? And that’s the biggest frustration but I understand it’s part of the process of them making the best show they can make. That’s the part that’s difficult.

We’re pretty satisfied but in every show, every actor, every time goes, “Why’d they cut that out?”

I know talking with Josh and Maggie they both mentioned how close all of you are. How important is that to you, that closeness? With this being a seemingly large, ensemble cast, does your relationship with your other actors impact your performance?

I think so. I think it makes it easy to do the hard stuff. The best way I can describe it is when I did the show “Oz.” And it’s a show about prison and everyone is doing horrible things to each other. The only way you can really go far, and be really awful, is if the other actor trusts you so that it never feels like, “Oh, you just did that because you feel that way personally.” So, if the other actor trusts you and the both of you are really secure that you’re both acting then you can let it all fly and be really crazy, weird and nasty. And because you’re on this island where things go bad and go wrong and sometimes you do this heinous stuff and sometimes you do great stuff but what we need is to be able and trust each other.

And we don’t know where anything is going. So, not only do we need to trust each other for the bad stuff but we need to trust each other for the stuff that is seemingly good if my character and Yoon-jin Kim’s character actually do get together we need to trust each other enough to know that this doesn’t cross, like, into my personal life. And if we lose that trust, I don’t think it will help the show out if that ever goes away, it will only make it worse. From the acting point of view it will only seem forced and weird and you’ll always look at it and go, “Why is that”¦that’s just awful”¦”

I believe that if the people are off then the scene never hits you. I just hope we always stay close and that it never gets weird. Hopefully we can always be close and tight.


THE SQUID AND THE WHALE (2005) Director: Noah Baumbach
Cast: Jeff Daniels, Laura Linney, Jesse Eisenberg, Owen Kline, Halley Feiffer
Release: October 5, 2005
Synopsis: The patriarch (Jeff Daniels) of an eccentric Brooklyn family claims to once have been a great novelist, but he has settled into a teaching job. When his wife (Laura Linney) discovers a writing talent of her own, jealousy divides the family, leaving two teenage sons to forge new relationships with their parents. Linney’s character begins dating her younger son’s tennis coach. Meanwhile, Daniels’ character has an affair with the student his older son is pursuing.
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Prognosis: Next… I’m not quite sure if this intro does anything for me.

It doesn’t convey anything about the narrative, it’s a little odd and the static way it’s presented, no voiceover or provided context, just leaves me feeling distant from the whole thing.

When we open, we get a lonely looking boy, strumming his guitar all alone in his bedroom. He’s not the greatest player since Hendrix but he’s practicing off of some sheet music. The camera feels a need to get real close and tight on the title although I haven’t a clue why. It doesn’t really inform anything nor does the subsequent scene of said boy, strumming his guitar, except this time he has his brother, wearing those 80’s style short shorts. I’m convinced that due to the size of those Daisy Dukes For Men that the reason they went the way of the dinosaur for one reason: accidental sac slips. They were obnoxious and I am glad to have them shoved right in front of my face in this trailer. His brother’s pair aren’t as bad but they are just prelude to the next scene.

Tennis, anyone? So yeah, the Sac Slippers are in full display here as Laura Linney and Jeff Daniels play a round with their young boys. Daniels gets off a sweet shot into Laura’s chest, hilarity ensuing, but I get the vibe of the trailer. There is something not quite right about this household and there’s some very bad electricity making its way between the four of them.

Daniels and Linney tell the boys they’re breaking up. What gets me is that this movie “feels” like a serious ORDINARY PEOPLE kind of film, and there’s everything present to substantiate that but when one of the boys makes a crack, after being told how visitation will work between the father and the mother, about what kind of visitation the cat will get I’m yanked back. Further, when Daniels takes over the voiceover to tell how he’s found a wonderful space for the three of them to share, that it’s one of the best on the block, we eventually see that it’s a crummy crap hole. Again, one of the boys, after being told that the house comes with a writing desk, those single wooden plates attached to a rickety metal chair, cracks wise that the chair’s for a lefty. Oh, the comedy.

As the trailer progresses the older brother has a stand-off with his mother as he confronts her about her infidelity, driving the family to the situation it’s in right now. After this trailer tries hard to be glib, the boy calling their once happy home a brothel, men coming in and out, Laura doesn’t deny anything but comments that he sounds just like his father. Is it witty, is this some kind of black comedy that isn’t hitting me right? I’m not sure but when the younger brother wants to take up tennis and gets into it with the dad the two of them have a giggly back and forth about the nature of a philistine.

I do give it up for throwing Anna Paquin into the mix, there obviously being some sort of thing going on between her and Daniels. Disregarding that the two of them share a nice moment as they kiss I hope you can put it out of your head that he played her father in FLY AWAY HOME. The eww factor is only counter-balanced by the older boy’s run at trying to find a girl of his own.

I’m not sure the world needs another movie that is fixated on the lives of college professors who have this uncontrollable urge to bed their students. It’s almost like the profession is beset on both sides by nubile, hot looking chicks who want to give it up to a wrinkly old prune of a professor. From WONDERBOYS to ANIMAL HOUSE the life of an English teacher must be a hot one. Who knew? Oh yeah, and before I forget, as the trailer comes to a close I must add this: if you do plan on getting wild with college chicks and you’re thinking of being an English teacher you have to, absolutely have to, get a brown, rumpled, corduroy jacket.


THE PRODUCERS (2005) Director: Susan Stroman
Cast: Nathan Lane, Matthew Broderick, Will Ferrell, Roger Bart, Gary Beach
Release: December 21, 2005
Synopsis: Two-time Tony Award winners Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick return to their celebrated roles as Max Bialystock and Leo Bloom, a scheming theatrical producer and his mousy CPA who hit upon the perfect plan to embezzle a fortune: raise far more money than you need to produce a sure-fire Broadway flop and then (since no one will expect anything back), Max and Leo can pocket the difference. To do this, they need the ultimate bad play, which they find in the musical Springtime for Hitler. Their plans come to naught and the duo are taken completely by surprise when their new production is hailed as a toast-of-the-town hit. Will Ferrell also brings his spot-on comic talents to the role of Franz Liebkind, the neo-Nazi playwright (and pigeon fancier) responsible for penning the “worst play ever written.”.
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Prognosis: Positive. I’ve never been one to catch a lot of company theater.

There is something to be said about the safety of multiple BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, LION KING, MISS SAIGON, JOSEPH AND THE TECHNICOLOR DREAMCOAT productions which hit sinkholes like Phoenix, Arizona. It is indeed rare to get anything of any great substantive thematic weight around these parts. You may get an occasional Eric Bogosian production but these are usually limited to a one-night stand, one-time only kind of deal. That’s why I wasn’t so sure about the filmic potential of yet another play turned into film. Sure, CHICAGO did wonderfully, critically speaking, but can this kind of production translate well into a format which lends itself to subtlety? With Mel Brooks behind the project you have a better chance than anyone else in the business to make something that’s funny yet has that certain deadpan style which this production lends itself to.

Everyone pretty much knows what this is all about and I am glad that we launch into this trailer at the beginning without a lot of exposition. The first words out of Matthew Broderick’s mouth quickly explain that a producer could make more money with a flop than with a hit. The jaunty music in the background is just right as Nathan Lane takes the reigns from here in stating, dramatically and obnoxiously, that they need to find the worst play ever written. This much we already know but Brooks takes the chance here to add in really zany moments. The framing and the way we’re looking at our players all point to his work but it’s somehow transcendent. The minutiae, little scenes, which rapid fire in front of us isn’t at all distracting as it is genuinely funny. The kick I get out seeing Will Ferrell in a Kaiser helmet outweighs any negativity that I might feel for this being a shameless, cash-in rehash of a remake.

It isn’t a shameless anything as I think this movie is coming from a place that is at once a project of love for a few involved and the fact that Nathan here has one of the best moments of the trailer, a really old woman wants him to fulfill her every need and the two of them have a “moment” at a hot dog cart where a long, dripping wiener stands-in for an amusing double-entendre, just shows that this isn’t a phone-in, either.

Matthew Broderick and Uma Thurman, who, I have to admit, didn’t really click with me as I pondered what in hell she could bring to something like this, really pair up well together as Matthew has some impressive pipes with Uma providing the kind of sex appeal that’s really needed to bring in the younger sect. Nathan, as well, plays his straight magic a second time in this trailer as he comments on Uma’s dancing inside their office.

Ferrell’s impromptu singing is also a thing of beauty. Who would’ve thunk that Gene, the cowbell behind Blue Oyster Cult, would be such an amazing presence on the stage? What I also think is important to point out that because now that there is some Hollywood dollars behind this production you can expect the dance numbers to be more robust, more exaggerated. This can only mean good things when you see a line-up of dazzling dancers using walkers as props.

Let the comedy begin.

September 16, 2005

Trailer Park: WHO? NEVER HEARD OF HIM…

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | ARCHIVES By Christopher Stipp

September 16, 2005

WHO? NEVER HEARD OF HIM…

There is always something unique about every interview and the real trick, the real skill, is finding that one thing which really defines the subject you talked to. As an interviewer I am constantly in a state of anomie, discontent, if you will, about what the angle really is going to be. The worst is finding out that the person you talked to doesn’t have any angle at all, that they’re just as shallow as you expect all those blessed with fame to be. Since I was a damn near an hour late for the interview I think I was worried that a) if they were any regular person at all they would have already left and b) whoever designed the 405 Freeway and the streets of Beverly Hills need to have their ankles hobbled by Kathy Bates a la Stephen King’s MISERY; in my defense, there is none I can offer. I had never before experienced the kind of sinister traffic in my life as I did in LA a few weeks ago on my way from LAX to The Beverly Hills Hotel at midday. What I found out, though, as I chewed my bottom lip to a stump, was that Julian Morris, star of CRY_WOLF, waited for me. He patiently waited for me to arrive so we could have our interview.

When I did make my way to the lusciously green patio area, Julian donning an endearing smile and completely accepting of my apologies, I couldn’t help but be taken in by his tractor beam of enthusiasm. Julian is new to audiences but he never once showed, talked or hinted about what his starring role means to him in terms of American acceptance of his acting abilities. Not that I don’t think he isn’t concerned about whether or not the movie will do well, I believe he is, but his thoughts and eagerness about his debut was more focused on the periphery: the director he worked with, his feelings about growing up in the theater, what he thought of the writing, etc”¦ I realize it’s not much to take away from someone trying to promote a movie and the back and forth banter between the two of us is only really revealed in a two-dimensional way but Julian is a happy guy. He’s genuine about where his career is going. There are things he really believes in when it comes to this movie but, most of all, the guy waited for me when not even my wife would’ve put up with that kind of tardiness.

One other thing, though, about Julian that I had to ask myself before getting into the interview with him was: How do you prepare for an interview when there isn’t anything written about him? It was honestly like a blind date. I had but cursory information to work off of, finding out that he’s been working a long time in his native England, but I had a greater need to find out why CRY_WOLF was flying so far under the media radar. At first I honestly believed it had to do something with Jon Bon Jovi being in the picture. Besides YOUNG GUNS when he donned those tight leather chaps and that weird necklace thing the only way I’ve heard about this movie was when I caught a mention of it when I saw an interview with that Aqua Net king. Other than that, there was nothing. There really isn’t anything of note I can see, even now, on the Internet besides some well-placed ads embedded into Web Pages but Julian does a serviceable job with giving enough incentive to see the movie just based on the way he talks about the film. Never mind the fact that Doug Liman, of BOURNE and GO fame, had a persuasive hand in CRY_WOLF’s development as Julian talked about how Liman had an involvement in this movie’s daily progression but it’s really Morris’ passion about what he does, trumping the blasé way in which stars his age treat the lottery ticket on life they’ve been given, that really makes you feel that this is an actor who needs to work more often in Hollywood if for no other reason than he has talent and an attitude towards his profession which makes me wish others in this line of work had the same gravitas about the tenuous grasp every actor has over the likes and dislikes of an ever fickle audience.

When I finally sit down, lay out a few mea culpas at his feet, asking for absolution, he looks down at my right hand and sees that I’m wearing my Claddagh ring.

Are you Irish?

Yes. The funny thing is that when I got this I was in Ireland. I stayed the week after at a B&B in London, right across the street from Buckingham Palace; it was the Queen’s Jubilee. We stayed with this woman who also commented about my ring and I said that’s where I got it and then commented about whether or not she’d been to Ireland. She basically turned up her nose and said, “Oh no!” Is Ireland like Britain’s Mexico?

(Laughs) No, No way.

There’s a historial antonogism but it’s nothing like that. That’s crazy. I love Ireland. I’m desperate to go. I’ve got a lot of Irish friends at school and they wear the rings.

Let’s talk about you. When I went to do my research on you and your past I found nothing. No outlet I went to was of any help to give me some background on where you’ve come from. From England to America to the big screen how did it happen?

Well, I’ve been working in England since I was young. When I was twelve I did this thing called “The Knock, “ a great miniseries, it dealt with the drug trade and after that I began with the Royal Shakespeare Company, like as an apprentice, at the age of 13 until I left school at seventeen. It was the most incredible learning ground working with the icons, my heroes, of English acting. I never saw acting as a career, it’s something I love, but I sat with this agent once for 15 minutes and I had it all planned.

I was going to Zimbabwe and work with animals because it’s something I like to do and after university he was to give me advice. If I wanted to continue to work in acting what should I do? We talked and talked and talked and after an hour and a half he said, “I want to represent you now.” He was like a big agent in London and I was like, “Yeah, cool, man.”

Since then which was 2000 it’s been crazy. I went to Africa to do this one job and six months after I signed with him I got the lead in this NBC pilot called Young Arthur. It was cast in Australia, Canada, the US, obviously, and they just plucked me out from this little place in England. I went to Prague to film it, playing the lead, I played Arthur. It was this amazing, incredible experience. It was never picked up but through that I got some great representation. Great manager, great agent and then I did WHIRLYGIRL which was incredible and now CRY_WOLF.

The director for the movie is fresh on the scene too.

Yeah, the man’s got an amazing family background. His aunt is Katie Couric and his mom’s the late Virginia senator, Emily Couric, and he’s an amazingly gifted director and his partner, Beau Bauman, they wrote this incredible script together. They won a competition at the million dollar Chrysler Film Festival. It was always a studio movie, this project, CRY WOLF, and it’s a million dollar movie. The studio figured that it could put it on the shelf and that “If it’s any good we’ll release it,” put it on DVD, but as a result for what was going on they gave a lot of leeway to the creative team behind it, Jeff and Beau, and they came up with this incredible film. The studio saw it and they said, “This is so, so good,” pumped in more money and now it’s going to be on a 1,000 screens as a major release in September.

This being your first major picture in the States do you feel any pressure from people who may think that, “This better do well”¦”?

I don’t. Maybe the producer does. I just hope people enjoy it. I just loved doing it and I honestly think it’s a great film. It’s terrifying, clever, it doesn’t speak down to the audience. The director was a clever guy, so was the writer and the producer and that was the way they approached it. They wanted to write this for a clever audience. The ending has a triple twist and by the end you’re just feeling like”¦I’m just proud of it.

This seems to be happening a lot lately in movies, horror films, suspense films, are making a resurgence. LAND OF THE DEAD, DAWN OF THE DEAD, horror movies are coming back.

I think that one of the great things about CRY_WOLF is that the director, Jeff, is a horror/sci-fi buff. It’s his thing, he loves it. And one of the things he’s done is that he’s taken this movie back to the roots of horror: the classical bad person, the horror is very real and it’s not comedic, the killer is not comedic. This not like a SCREAM movie. I think that if you look at the progression, the evolution of the horror film, you can see how Freddy from NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, Jason from FRIDAY THE 13th series, became more and more comedic. Up until the 90’s it was this deconstructionist kind of genre but this movie brings it back to the roots and it’s going to refresh audiences to see that the fear is real, it’s palpatible. It’s there, it builds and it leaves you terrified and in the end, like I say, it’s a knock out.

What did you grow up on, horror wise, when you were young?

I remember the first movie I ever saw was JAWS. I was young. I must have been seven. It was on TV, I was shit scared as I was by myself and you get off on that. It’s a fun feeling, it grabs you. I remember once, Stephen King’s IT, I was young when I saw that. It’s just a great feeling to have something play with your emotions. I’m an actor so I love emotions so I love playing with them. You came into acting early, acting on the stage at a young age”¦

Yeah, Yeah”¦ Obviously everyone says “I love to do them both” but what are some of the advantages/disadvantages of being a screen actor versus a stage actor?

I don’t think there’s any disadvantage to either, as you’re working and getting paid”¦(laughs) Theater is great, you’re with an audience, it’s electric, you get an immediate response, the character arc is very clear because you have a beginning, middle and an end but in film it’s all about capturing moments. Like you’ll be there off-camera and everyone’s preparing lighting and then you’ll maybe do like five seconds worth of scene but you just want to get that moment. And you may do 15 takes to get that moment and I love that about film. It’s almost a perfectionist medium. It’s something you can just grab and get that moment of happiness or whatever it is but it’s a lot harder to get because it’s not like it’s A to B, a direct path, there are intervals where you’re waiting for the lighting to be set up or other things, it’s a process, but you can be a lot more subtle with film. You could sigh and the camera would get that where in the theater you couldn’t.

I like that a performance can be immortalized in film, that emotions can be immortalized in film. It’s always going to be there versus theater where it’s transient because one night will go one way and then it could be completely different, which is great, but it’s different.

With theater you’re putting out an emotion, bouncing it back off an audience, which is great but it can be dangerous because sometimes I think the biggest thing for an actor not to do in theater is that you want to perform or you want to make them laugh but you want to hear them react and you end up steering off from the truth to the character depending on what’s happening.

How do you sustain that? You say that acting in front of an audience is a constant process of being aware of what’s happening but in a movie you don’t get that.

Yeah, it’s good. In acting you’re always feeding off your other actors because I think it’s a bad idea to ever feed off the audience. To do that you’re not being truthful to the part, you’re only being true to an audience’s expectations. In film how you stay true to the lines is that you’ve got the director and his vision and so every day I’d go to his trailer and say this is the scene we’re doing, this is what it is. Obviously, you’ve also got your script and you’ve had time to think about the progression of your character and how you want them to grow. You’ve got an idea of where they’ve come from and what you’d like to do with them.

You stay true to the material, I guess.

Jon Bon Jovi is in this.

(Laughs) Yeah, he is.

Did you have to refer to him as Mr. Jovi?

We called him the Jove. It was crazy because he’s an icon, man.

The thing was that I was so excited to work with him and his teeth.

(I laugh)

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen pictures but he’s got these incredibly shiny, blistering, white teeth, It’s like burning magnesium. And on the first day I met him I got a tap on my shoulder and turned around and I swear to you it was like a blinding white light. I was listening to my iPod and I had on some classical music and I thought I was looking into the face of God or Jesus or Moses. (Laughs)

And when my vision cleared it was Jon Bon Jovi.

And he was good to work with? I know he’s tradionally known as a rocker and he has made some inroads into the filmic community”¦

He’s so down to earth. We had this drama coach on set at all time and he had his own coach. He took this very seriously and he’s good at it. He’s really good in this movie. So, he didn’t bring any scarf covered microphone stands or wear strategically ripped jeans on the set or bring out a guitar and just start singing?

No, but that’s funny because we were filming on campus and some people were like, “It’s Jon Bon Jovi” as we were trying to keep it under wraps and one afternoon he’s like, “Do you want to go out to lunch?” I was like, “Yeah, it’s Jon Bon Jovi”¦” and I was expecting a restaurant but it was even better than that. We went to the school canteen. And as soon as we entered it was crazy. It was amazing to see the kind of response he gets. Julian, thank you very much for your time.

No problem, thank you.

CRY_WOLF opens today.


DOOM (2005) Director: Andrzej Bartkowiak
Cast: Karl Urban, The Rock
Release: October 21, 2005
Synopsis: Something has gone wrong at a remote scientific research station on Mars. All research has ceased. Communication has failed. And the messages that do get through are less than comforting. It’s a level 5 quarantine and the only souls allowed in or out are the Rapid Response Tactical Squad – hardened Space Marines armed to the teeth with enough firepower to neutralize the enemy… or so they think.
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Prognosis: Could Go Either Way On This One. Is The Rock really the next SchwarzeIhategaypeoplenegger?

I would posit that Dwayne Wayne actually has a little bit more to offer the people. His performances in THE MUMMY RETURNS and THE SCORPION KING not withstanding are the things that made me a Jean-Claude Van Damme fan in the late 80’s: You know what you’re getting when you see him but he’s offering a little more talent to the project.

This trailer, though, leaves me wanting and I am not sure what it is. I am uplifted, though, by the effort put into making this trailer. You’ve got a great dissolve of the Universal logo, I’ve always been a fan of this kind of creativity, which situates us on Mars. Throaty Voiceover Guy actually helps to ratchet the tension as we’re told that scientists have just mapped the other 10% of the human genome. The pictures and graphics are quicker than anything, perfect for the audience you’re trying to grab by the nuts, but when you see some dude flailing around on an operating table, I haven’t a friggin’ idea of what that had to do with finding the other 10% of the genome, you know some dirty crap is going down.

Now, I have the game at home. I see it right here on my desk: Doom 3. Is all of the craziness which ends up ensuing the result of genetic tampering? I’m not much for details but it’s a little murky in this trailer how one has to do with the other. Ultimately it doesn’t make much difference, you never want to over think these kinds of plots, but it’s still cool to see people being attacked by mutants. That kind of stuff never gets old. Never.

Next we get The Rock listening to his marching orders via desktop computer and he’s not wearing a shirt. Now, I don’t want to get into the whole embedded subtext of what a shirtless Rock means to a population of young men who are the demographic target but all I’m saying is that he’s shirtless and this is the first time we’re seeing him.

One other thing, and I have to make a comment because it came up twice, is that there are some noticeable elements from other films in here. Someone swiped the sound the Predator makes as it is stalking its prey, this happens right before the bare-chested Rock scene and then, when The Rock is getting ready to kill the thing, and his team are all getting their weapons loaded and looking very Action Movie-ish the guns are straight from ALIENS. They are the same damn guns with the accompanying LED readout of how many shots are left in the gun. I’m not sure if this is homage or hack-age.

Now, once you move past Rock’s bombast speech about how they’re going in hot and that they’re going to have to kill anything that moves, all the while Rock looks very sweaty and serious, I am floored by the creative use of the first person angle this movie is going for. Just like in the game you’re looking straight down the end of a weapon, it bobbing up and down, when a mutant appears. Cut-away. Wicked cool. I am sure this nets quite a response from the nerd contingent.

Everything about this way of presenting the film just crackles with entertainment value. You’ve got a filmmaker who is trying to show that he “gets it” while everyone else just plays along with how the story is supposed to go. I am very impressed by the way the action sequences are laid down under the poseur metal music in the background. The dialogue, as well, is really bad but there is some real reverence for what seems to be a great action movie.

Two thumbs up, as well, for the chainsaw ending. Nice.


PROOF (2005) Director: John Madden
Cast: Gwyneth Paltrow, Anthony Hopkins, Hope Davis, Jake Gyllenhaal
Release: September 16, 2005
Synopsis: Based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning play by David Auburn, PROOF follows a devoted daughter (Paltrow) who comes to terms with the death of her father (Hopkins) a brilliant mathematician whose genius was crippled by mental insanity — and is forced to face her own long-harbored fears and emotions. She adjusts to his death with the help of one of her father’s former mathematical students (Gyllenhaal) who searches through her father’s notebooks in the hope of discovering a bit of his old brilliance. While coming to terms with the possibility that his genius, which she has inherited, may come at a painful price, her estranged sister (Davis) arrives to help settle their father’s affairs. PROOF is a haunting tale of the fragility of life and love that explores life’s complex equations.
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Prognosis: Negative. I’m honestly hopeful that there will come a movie where Gwyneth Paltrow will shine again like she did in THE ROYAL TENNENBAUMS. I thought she was actually good in that movie but I can’t think of anything else in recent memory where she’s reached another plateau, craft-wise, of that kind.

I know she loves to invoke that Madonna, I-wanna-be-a-British-courtesan, affectation in her acting whenever possible but this seems like it is a softball waiting to be punched right out of the park for the viewing public but instead we get more of what I foresee as Gwyneth’s continued slide into the Meg Ryan Syndrome, uncontrollable crying at a mea/median rate greater than any of her peers.

Anthony Hopkins starts things off with talking about crazy people. I like that he’s playing one of those men who are losing their minds but Gwyneth being the sole caretaker immediately strikes fear into me as I see her role being akin to that of Meg Ryan in HANGING UP. At this point I’m already worried.

We get the line pimped to us that this movie is coming to us from the Academy Award (All Rights Reserved, Copyrighted, Copy-Protected, Licensed, Bonded and Insured) director of SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE as a delicate, twinkling musical sonata wafts us into the crux of our picture: she’s had to live alone, I don’t see a mother anywhere, with a brilliant mathematician who has some issues when it comes to parenting. Already the lights and whistles are going off, and as well as they should, and when ol’ Gwyn finds pops outside in the snow we know he’s damn near lost his mind.

“I’m prepared to look at every page”¦”

Jake Gyllenhaal comes in as the, er, uh, I dunno what he is but this boy somehow insinuates himself into Gwyn’s life and home. He knows that her crazy dad wrote in a 100+ notebooks and wants to go through her pops’ life work. She already has a distressed look about her and I don’t know if she’s going to hold up through this trailer without crying. Frankly, I’m concerned. Jake is doing his best as the fanatical fan of her dad and tries to do everything in his power to release the power of her dad’s legacy unto the world.

Gwyn says no to any examination into her dad’s life but, like all good things Hollywood, we know her dike can’t hold back the loving advances of Jake’s smooth groove. I know this because no more, literally, than a few seconds after her protestations Jake is tearing through the halls of some college as his voiceover says something about him discovering a sumthin’ or another that the world needs to know about. It’s all very impassionate.

Gwyn, of course, gets all bothered by the idea that her dad wrote something so important, so much so that she skirts the line of a tearful breakdown, but Jake doesn’t want to hear any of her bull crap. Jake knows what’s up because he is the only one not getting hysterical over everything.

Some woman comes over to this crazy filled house where Gwyn lives and asks if she’d like some people to come over. Now, I don’t know if it’s a mother or a sister but I can see it, I can God honest see it, she’s been bawling. I don’t have any proof but she’s all paranoid that people will associate crazy person with her, as if dementia is a disease you can catch like herpes, not that I would know the exact vehicles or avenues of transmission of that STD per se, but she’s obviously conflicted.

This mystery woman keeps at Gwyn, stating that Gwyn has the same instabilities and tendencies like her father, thus really throwing her over the emotional deep end. She tosses shit around, dramatically, in true actress fashion, throwing a stack of SEVEN style notebooks off a desk and that’s when it happens: she’s bawling. She breaks down, in the open, to Jake who, if he’s really my boy, will capitalize on her vulnerability and seduce that.

It does look like he’s not going to let me down as he’s all about the craziness himself, really getting into this whole notebook thing, but not so much where he can’t expend a little of that energy getting Gwyn to the bedroom. I’d high-five that man if I could.

August 19, 2005

Trailer Park: Dane Cook

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | ARCHIVES By Christopher Stipp

August 19, 2005

DANE COOK

My mother made me take it back.

It was a copy of Eddie Murphy’s eponymously titled album. Literally. It was this big, honking geometrically dense LP and I thought if I was crafty enough I’d be able to smuggle it back home on my own, easily forgetting that I was not only 12 years old but that mom had to be the one to take me home from the mall.

I immedietly was ordered to take the album back, I’ve never forgot the walk of shame back to the Musicland to try and explain how lame I was in buying something I clearly wasn’t allowed to have, and I never tried to buy it again. For a few months at least.

I quickly became a consumer of Murphy’s material exploits, on audio and video, and even dipped into the canons of other comedians who I really thought were good but not neccessarily publicly revered. Bobcat Goldthwait’s “Meat Bob,” a mid-80’s performance which holds up like the Golden Gate through a 9.3, for example, was one of the first real cassettes I ever bought and I still can’t believe how many times I’ve listened to it; my last listening was a few months ago after his new comedy album dropped and remembered I still had the original tape and its plastic shell casing with the paper gatefold insert.

I quickly learned that comedy, to me, was this visceral energy that affected my physical disposition. A good laugh is just impossible to do by one’s self; you need someone to trigger it. Through the years I could tell you the notable comedians who have been able to load that gun and fire it again and again. Murphy for sure, Louie Anderson, Damon Wayans pre-ABC television show days, George Lopez, Bill Hicks without question, Richard Jeni and Denis Leary all spring to mind real quick. And, in a flash, there was nothing. For a long time. I don’t know what the hell was going on in my comedy section but there wasn’t anyone new for a long time in the mid-90’s. It was like someone set off an atomic bomb in the comedy clubs across America and decimated all the funny. I’d go to Best Buy and see a pathetic display that was part emicated display rack and part Jeff Foxworthy/Bill Engvall shill fest. Not to take anything away from the latter comedians, as I think they deserve all the success in the world given to them, but they couldn’t have been the only guys working out on the road for the past decade.

And then it happened.

Comics Come Home, November 18, 2000.

When the special eventually aired on Comedy Central and after I watched it, having taped it for some great Christopher Walken impression material Jay Mohr let loose, I remember thinking about the guy who ripped his pants off at the very end of his set, who had one of the craziest bits about rest rooms which still triggers something within me when I see a sink that’s all wet and minced around the stage, goofing on the odd movements of television magicians, in a manner that was fresh and new. The guy was flat out funny. Funniest person I had the pleasure to watch perform in years. And when some people ask what makes the guy so funny, fans just defaulting to the “Because he is” angle, I would say that Dane is funny because he takes the surreal and absurd but couches manic energy into real situations. The schtick isn’t schticky because he isn’t playing a character or trying to embody an image, thanks Dice Clay for the memories and here’s your irrelevancy check, the insane envisioning of situations he’s thought of and trying to make them exist in a reality everyone can understand. That’s why Dane Cook rocks so hard.

I remember with being satisfied with having bought his first CD “Harmful if Swallowed” straight from him and supporting this guy’s career. I sent the guy a note, something I really only do if I’m really moved by someone’s prowess at what they do, and he was genuinely appreciative when he wrote back. This was a guy I wanted to see succeed and over the years Dane Cook has done it. You want someone like this to succeed if for no other reason than this guy has worked so hard to develop an audience over the years and, I feel anyway, he really appreciates every one of them.

His newest CD,“RETALIATION,” blasted straight to the top of the Billboard charts when it was released a few weeks ago, almost topping Steve Martin’s “Wild and Crazy Guy” as the highest charting comedy release ever, he has a new movie coming out in the Fall called WAITING, he’s working on a DVD release of an ensemble comedy concert entitled Tourgasm, he’s supporting the release of the album by performing behind it and he took some time out of what must be a hellacious schedule to talk to me.

The man couldn’t have been more relaxed, frank, open and interested in talking about where things are and where they’re going.

P.S. – If you haven’t already seen it here’s Dane celebrating, in his own way, Tom Cruise’s obnoxious, publicity driven behavior on the Oprah show when he was out pimpin’ WAR OF THE WORLDS. Not to be missed.

I CALL THIS LOOK BLUE STEEL

 


Thanks for making some time for me. Your schedule must be crazy.It is but I’ve been doing stand-up now for 15 years and to have so many people excited about my comedy is just”¦I’m psyched that you guys wanted to talk to me.

I’ve got to say I was looking forward to this for a while as I was one of those who bought your CD, Harmful if Swallowed, years ago when you were the one who was self-producing it. It was right after your Comedy Central bit on Comics Come Home.

I gotta tell you, man, it really”¦the original release and seeing where that went, laying down a fan base, that brings me to all the excitement that’s happening now. I really have to say that people like yourself and other fans who supported it from then until now it’s really because I feel like I have a great connection with my fan base and so”¦thank you for being a part of the Dane Train.

I’m also glad I have this time today because I read that your CD debuted at number four on the Billboard 200.

Yeah!

I was comparing it to what else came out this week and after looking at the rankings I saw that you did better than the new Babyface but not as good as Young Jeezy.

Damn that Jeezy”¦so young”¦

What’s that like, finding out t hat your CD almost topped Steve Martin’s “Wild and Crazy Guy” album from a quarter century ago as the highest charting comedy release?

When I got that factoid”¦when they sent over, “Hey, listen, 26 years later”¦you’re the first guy who’s done it in Soundscan history…” my initial reaction was, “Holy shit.”

It was a Holy Shit moment. And I let it soak in but soon after, not too long after, the first interview I did they asked, “How you do feel?” and I said, “You know who knew this was coming? My fans.” And that’s the thing: they knew for many many years, and I’m shocked, but it’s funny because a lot of the response I was getting is, “We knew it would happen, Dane.” Fans everywhere were saying it and I try to keep in contact as much as I can so, yeah, definitely shock and I had to sit down. But it just made me feel like I want to continue, as it says above my desk, be continuously creative.

Really?

And push myself in other ways to bring the entertainment”¦A fresh bowl of Ha-Ha, whatever I can.

Now, you must be hearing this over and over again, as it’s doing well, it seems like this is a stronger album, tonally, than the last one especially when it concerns your feelings about hecklers.

(Laughs)

Obviously, no one enjoys having a heckler, but what brought this up and why did you say, “Fuck that, let’s put this part on the album”?

Because it was two things that came together. It was very uncomfortable to be in the room to even hear it on the album. Even I was a little uncomfortable the first time I heard it. But, in a split second, it becomes fuckin’ real, genuine, funny moment with the line I say at the end.

And it’s very rare where you go from scary to like wonderful.

To be honest, when it happened in the room I knew what I wanted to do which was make 500 people want to melt into the wall. I wasn’t really mad. I really wasn’t mad at the guy. I was kind of using it to get to the punchline which was (CENSORED”¦I can’t let him spoil the funny. Sorry) which was something I had thought up, as just a metaphor or something.

So, when the moment happened I thought, “I know I’m recording and I know I should blow this off but I think this might be the place to do the uncomfortable moment. If it doesn’t work I’ve got 6 other shows this weekend.” So, it just started happening and I started feeling everybody, you know, looking down and, ugh, just getting kind of like\, “Jesus, Dane really seems like he’s mad at this guy”¦” and, “Dude, fuck you”¦”, and, “I will kick you out!” Which I would never do unless they were like throwing bottles and so, to get that laugh, that’s a real moment, it’s on the album and hopefully it won’t blow it for anybody but, no, I was not in a Bill Hicks mode, I was not really mad. It was just for the shake of shaking things up on the Retaliation CD.

I felt uncomfortable when I heard it. I was getting used to the whole flow and then, out of nowhere, it just screeches to a halt.

I think it’s becoming”¦It was either going to be a moment that”¦because a couple people thought, “Does it ruin the flow of the album?” and I said, “No, no. It makes it unique.” It makes the album something layered and something with texture. So I said, “Fuck it, I’m keeping that in there.” And I think it’s funny because I get a lot of responses, and everyone’s got their own favorite quotes, but everyone points at that moment and it’s like, “I was driving and I’m feeling tense and then I’m laughing.” I affected you on your drive to work.

I was on the stage at the Laugh Factory in LA the other night and a guy and I got into it a little bit because he was really drunk, the whole deal, and I was being playful with him. And then, finally, I said, “Ok, Pop, listen, you’re going to shut your mouth now, you’re going to laugh when it’s time to laugh,” and, at the end, I knew that a lot of people had heard the CD so I said, “I think there’s kind of an uncomfortable vibe in here”¦” And it was like a Bon Jovi moment because like 10 people yelled out, “[I’m not going to let him ruin it for the rest of the class.]”

I felt like I was doing Bad Medicine up there.

Do you find that’s happening a lot? I remember buying Bob Goldthwait’s “Meat Bob” on cassette when I was about 9 and I remember getting Bill Hicks’ “Relentless” along with scads of others later on as I was growing up. One thing that linked them all were these small, repeatable lines. Dave Chappelle said that it frustrates him when people were yelling, “I’m Rick James, bitch” Do you find people shouting lines at you like “Large fry, mutha’ fucker!” and how do you feel about it?

Yeah, but you know what, dude? If you don’t want people looking at your painting then don’t fucking paint. You know, it’s like”¦it goes with the territory, man. It’s like I can’t”¦I got a lot of respect for Dave and I think that Dave is brilliant, he’s one of the best comics of our generation but I will say it’s like, “Dude, you did it!” You gotta know when you’re that funny people want to quote you. People want to come up to Tom Cruise and be like, “Ooo”¦Mission Impossible!”

It doesn’t matter what you do. If you’re a musician people want to go up to Bruce Springsteen and quote their favorite line. Maybe I’m just not that jaded and bitter yet but I fucking love it.

When people come up to me and are like, “Dude, I want to punch every bee in the face.” I’m always like, how many people in this world get to have people want to quote them and repeat”¦so I say, again, being continuously creative. If you keep making new stuff they’re going to listen. They’ll listen.

Sometimes I’ve had shows interrupted. I know where guys like Dave are coming from. I’ve had shows interrupted by people yelling out and when you’re a comic it’s all about tempo and cadence and rhythm and making it look conversational when there’s actual beats. I get it. I’ve been annoyed, I’ve been thrown off but I recently was thinking about hecklers and talking to someone saying, “You know what? There’s always that weird moment when a heckle moment happens because as much as you loathe that they’re thrown you off on the track you’re on, for me, it always reminds me that I’m a comic. ” Like, those moments always remind me that you know what, I can sleep until noon, I can hang out and play hockey on a rooftop with my buddies on a Thursday, if this guy wants to yell out”¦you know what? I’m a stand-up comic.

You deal with it, you roll with the punches and it’s aggravating sometimes but everybody’s mentality is different. And I hope Dave continues to just trail blaze. I just hope he continues to just trail blaze in new ways and doesn’t let “I’m Rick James bitch” deter him from doing what he does best which is making memorable moments for people’s lives and he’s done that. I hope he sees that more than the crap people are saying about him.

In the same vein, how are you keeping it all in perspective?

Heroin.

The first thing you do, and I live in Hollywood, but the first thing from moving from Boston is that I’ve got a core group of friends who have been my friends my whole life. And a big family of five sisters, a brother, we’re very close. So, that’s gotta be first. You’ve got to have friends and family that you can trust to be like, “Dude, this is good or bad.”

When you’re being inundated, and right now I am really being inundated, but I worked hard to get to be in a position where people want to peek in for a minute and right now everyone is peeking in. Peeking, checking it out, and I want them to stay in the room. So, I stay grounded in one respect by hanging out, living a regular life away from entertainment and all the”¦I call it living at the blackjack table, that’s what it feels like in entertainment. Because you never know when you’re gonna take the hit. There’s always a feeling when you play blackjack like you’re gonna lose, even when you’re winning. That sucks, you don’t want to live your life like that so I take breaks from comedy by dong my own thing with the people around me.

But, on the other hand, I stay very close with my fan base”¦through the web site, through My Space, through whatever technology because I love interacting and, what keeps me grounded, is the thought that if a year from now the roller coaster comes to an end, or whatever kind of analogy you want, that I will always have a fan base of people who know that I care. That I care about them and entertaining them, and they respect me and my vision, why what ifs, and I’ll always be able to walk into a club or a theater and have a group of people who want to hear me. I think that’s what keeps me grounded knowing that there’s no end game. It’s always a work in process and being true to your fans.

Speaking of your family, your brother Darryl. The fan notion is that he was a dick to you at Burger King when you worked there. How does your family feel about being involved in the comedy process?

They love it.

Any mention of my sisters or my mom , especially my mom, they flip over it because they’re all pro-comedy and they’re all cool people and have always come to my shows since when I was playing laundromats and pizza places where there was only two people and they weren’t there for comedy, they were there for pizza. They are like my rock.

Darryl, interestingly enough, was my manager at the first job I had, he was a dick, and we were not very close growing up but I am extremely proud to say, and I know he is too, that in 1995 I started a company, Great Dane Enterprises, it’s my company and I put it together, sitting one day with my books, trying to figure out how I was going to do entertainment but balance my budget and checks and whatever and he sat next to me and he said, “Listen, why don’t you take care of the talent stuff and let me take care of this.” And that was in ’95 and he is now vice-president of my company and we are thriving and we are the closest that brothers can be and we both feel very accomplished.

My family is proud of us so, yes, he was a dick but he has grown to be my best friend and I would say one of my biggest supporters.

That’s great.

Yeah, it’s awesome. It’s all good right now.

Tourgasm. I’ve been following it for a while now. Is it going to be coming out on DVD? I know you said that if you had your way it would be a multi-episodic documentary but are you closer to knowing if this is going to be a KINGS OF COMEDY kind of film or is it going to be a long form”¦

I can tell you this, because something very exciting is happening now, but it’s not signed, sealed and delivered and I’m one of those people who”¦I won’t talk until it’s done or going.

My goal, ultimately, is to have a DVD of Tourgasm that shows much of the 400 hours of great footage that we did from coast-to-coast. That being said we are definitely in a position right now and hopefully this week on my web site I will be releasing a major update, knock on wood, on where Tourgasm is going to be seen and I think that when you hear about it you’re going to be pretty pumped because I know I am.

So, we will be seen one way or the other even if this thing doesn’t come through in the 11th hour which we all know is”¦and we’ve already got editors on it and, if I had my best case scenario, I would love to have something available by Christmas or the holidays.

Just thinking about how far you’ve come”¦you now being able to walk into virtually any record store in America and buy something with your name on it”¦what’s it like to have your self, your persona, permeating the world with your comedy?

Well, Chris, I’ll let you know”¦When I was in 10th grade, and I wanted to be a comic my whole life, but when I was in the 10th grade I used to go to Tower Records in Burlington, Massachusetts, a few towns over, and I used to go to the comedy section of the record store and I used to look for my album.

I used to flip through hoping, somehow, magically, or somebody snuck into my house and recorded me in my room when I was acting out and being”¦doing skits”¦I used to dream as I flipped past Carlin and Cosby of coming across my own disc.

So, I got to tell you, man, it’s fucking mind-blowing to walk into any store now and see both of my creations or thoughts there for people and I couldn’t”¦there’s no better way to put it”¦it is a dream come true.

July 29, 2005

Trailer Park: Josh Holloway from LOST

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E-MAIL THE AUTHOR | ARCHIVES By Christopher Stipp

July 29th, 2005

“Good-looking Guy”

Josh Holloway likes to smile.

It would be completely clichéd and People Magazine of me to state that, of course, he has a lot to smile about but that’s not what struck me when I made this observation about him. What made the time I spent with Josh so memorable was the absolute sense of openness that he engendered in the twenty five minutes I spent with him discussing his own trajectory as an actor as a lead in his very first major motion picture.

With every interview I’ve done there is always a little something I’ve built up about a celebrity, for a lack of a better word. It’s either I’ve seen their work and I secretly hope the interview is a little bit of them appeasing me with the questions I ask and a little bit of that charisma that so many of the “stars” people see on stage or screen seem to exude. I think there’s a lot of fan boy in me that I have to keep in check like it’s a caged animal that needs to be restrained but there’s also the inquisitive other half of me that wants to throw out the kinds of inquires some celebs have never been asked.

My goal, my only goal, with Josh was to not ask a damn thing about Lost, Season 2. I didn’t want to know anything about the show that he wasn’t going to volunteer. I didn’t care to ask anything about the meanings of his back story and what it meant to all that’s happened to him on the show, I didn’t give a rat’s ass about where he thinks his relationship with Kate’s going and I really didn’t want to know whether he and Sayid were going to have it out again this year. After listening to dozens of Entertainment Tonight, Extra and all sorts of other tabloids and radio interviewers speculate and fish for answers whenever they managed to corner one of the stars of Lost, one excruciating interview was one I heard with Naveen Andrews and even though Naveen’s role on the show and real life resume is one of the most interesting all the radio host could ask about was how he ended up with Barbara Hershey and what secrets he could let the world in on, I just realized how sad it was that the actors on this show were part of one of the biggest successes to hit the free air and all anyone could do was talk about the most meaningless thing they could think of.

So, if you’re looking to know what’s coming in season 2 of Lost, whether or not Sawyer is going to get it on with Freckles, what the hell is up with the polar bear and what seems to be his predilection for the George Michael 2-Day stubble look he’s rocking on his face week after week, you can stop reading right now and skip to next week where other celebs shamelessly gladly pimped their wares with me. This isn’t an act of pomposity on my part, I assure you. I think the dalliances of any Hollywood actor as I hear how their lives are so much better than mine are completely engrossing. I watch Cribs, I read Entertainment Weekly, I steal a peek at the National Enquirer; I’m shallow, I admit that. But what I didn’t want my short amount of time with Josh to be was everything that I eschewed about the press surrounding the show and I wanted to give you, the audience, a good look at the person behind one of the best played bad boys this side of the Pacific.

I wanted to actually talk to Josh. Have a real conversation with him. Find out more about where he’s come from, where he’s planning on going. I just hoped he wouldn’t have an attitude. It was a short list of hopes and aims, sure, but when I first stepped onto the brightly lit sundeck on a warm July afternoon in San Diego I was greeted with what I can only describe as a force that I can’t begin to genuinely describe because of its oddity. As soon as I was formally introduced Josh seemed genuinely pleased to meet me as I got a look at a smile I would be seeing a lot in the time I would be spending with him. Like a complete gentleman he, himself, introduced me to his wife who also seemed to be happy to meet me, a feat not too many strange women have ever accorded to me in a non-inebriated state. She was lovely. The two of them not only didn’t seem to mind when I asked to take their picture together but they seemed, as they stood next to each other, like a couple who honestly seemed happy to be with one another. If there ever was a Bizzaro world episode on Lost where Sawyer had to meet his doppelganger, I think I know who should play him.

All superlatives aside, there isn’t much more I can say about the man who has the left the greatest impression on me as an interviewer; even more than getting to talk to Stan Lee, even better than asking Natalie Portman a couple of questions face-to-face, Josh just seemed grateful for everything he’s been given. When you’re talking with him you just want to think that of all those people who you see struggling to make it in Hollywood you’re happy that someone like him is one of those who did. Josh likes to laugh, no question about it. His stories of struggling to give his career one last shot of everything he has are the kinds of things you’d want to listen to while having a beer with the guy at a party. He’s just plain interesting and engrossing as a subject while being one of the nicest strangers you ever could hope to meet.

Class act doesn’t begin to describe him. It embodies him.

“Hi, I’ve been in a plane crash, had things shoved under my fingernails, been beat up and stranded on an island for weeks yet I still have maintained my dangerously sexy mojo.” So, how was it to walk on that stage and seeing all those people?

That was exciting. That’s the reward of doing as well as we have. I’ve never done a convention. No one ever wanted me at one; it’s a little different. I find panels, though, to be a lot of fun.

I hope that I am answering the questions intelligently enough but I like the comedy of it. I like a panel for the banter with the fans. I love the energy. I’m having a blast.

The Comic-Con crowds with their questions can sometimes be a little different. I am thinking of the person who asked you in the panel discussion about whether you like to swim in the nude.

(Laughs)

Did they warn you that “You know, there are probably going to be questions”¦”

No, but I figured, and it’s so funny, because that’s been going around for a while. Just because when we first arrived in Hawaii everyone was like, “Look at our office! This is ridiculous.” Everyone was, and it wasn’t everyone, just the brave ones, it was that Hawaii inspired us and it was just like, “Let’s go swimming naked!” I haven’t skinny dipped in years and it felt good.

In Ohau?

Yeah, and it’s just amazing. My wife and I just bought a house there and so we’re really loving”¦melting into the Hawaiian culture and hope to be there a few more years.

I mean, it’s paradise; it’s the best place in the world to be working and just existing. You only work so much and you’ve got to live in the place. It’s better, than say, Siberia. There are much worse places you could be working.

Now, your movie WHISPER. Give me a quick synopsis. It’s your first real lead, right?

Yes, yes, which is really nerve wracking, actually.

I’ve just gotten Sawyer, and I am developing that, and to take the step, to take a role and to do a movie is exciting and nerve wracking. The movie, WHISPER, basically is about a group of people who are really down on their luck, not being given a chance anymore, by society because of past records. The old story is that when you’re a convict you can’t get a job, no one will give you a second chance. So, what these people decide to do, essentially, is kidnap this kid for ransom. Aaaand, it goes badly. We get a lot more than we bargained for with this kid.

But what excited me about this role was that my character doesn’t want to do it. He’s trying to start a new life because he’s fallen in love and he wants to provide for his woman and start a new life, a good life, with this woman. Everything that motivates him is love when what he’s doing is horribly wrong and I liked the dichotomy of that. And the fact that the kid is supposed to be the innocent one and, when it flips, there is a beautiful transition there. That’s what excited me and made me say, “Wow, innocence is evil and evil is innocence.”

I’m curious to know about your first day on the set of WHIPSER. I just think back to every first job I’ve had, regardless of what it was I was doing, and I remember how it emotionally felt to just try and get a footing, a handle on things. How was it for you?

It was a whirlwind.

Because of scheduling, of course, they were pushing the movie, pushing the movie, they already started filming the movie, so I wrapped Lost and the very next day I am on set so there was no break in moving from one character to this one.

And it takes you a minute before you hit your stride. So, that first day is nerve wracking and, also, I am kind of used to having a family in Hawaii. I mean we’ve all become a family over the season. The comfort level of going to work and experiencing that”¦and then the first day of the movie is like you have to introduce yourself to all these new people and then having to feel the pressure of it being on that level, a movie. It’s awesome but you have to be ready and everyone is expecting. And I’m thinking to myself, “Oookay, I’ve got to deliver.” So, it’s the usual pre-game jitters but once the game starts, you’ve got no room for that. It all goes away.

It’s just what we put ourselves through before the game that’s torture.

And it was such an honor to work with Michael Rooker as he’s been in so many things: DAYS OF THUNDER, HENRY: PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER and I have been watching him for years so it’s definitely an honor to have worked with him. And Stewart Hendler, a first time director, that was actually a nice bond because him and I were both awe struck by it all but then the balance to that was Dean Cundey, a masterful filmmaker. He did the original FOG, he did the original HALLOWEEN, THE THING, he was the orgininal DP on all of those. And of course he went on to win the Academy Award for APOLLO 13 but he wanted to come back and get his hands dirty and do a classic thriller/horror kind of movie and that’s what I loved about it and what he loves about it. It’s very simple. Not a lot of tricks. It’s kind of like your old school horror movie which is great.

And those kinds of films are making a resurgence”¦

Yes, they are.

I was glad to be making one that wasn’t gimmick, gimmick, gimmick, you know what I mean? This one really works on the original principals of horror movies and the unknown, and all that kind of stuff, a little bit of demonic stuff brought in there, a little DAMIEN kind of thing.

It’s good, It’s simple and it’s spooky.

The happy couple One of things I wanted to do before meeting you was to get an idea, professionally speaking, of the roles you did before landing Sawyer on Lost. One of the first things I saw was that you were billed as “Good Looking Guy” in an episode of Angel.

(Laughs for good reason)

That’s right!

My very first job was Good Looking Guy. That’s what they said as the description, I just thought it was funny. My next job I think I got was Bartender. It took me a while to get a name on my trailer.

So, you do what you do. I did seven indies. True indies with no money, guerella shooting. I did some television spots for Angel, Walker, Texas Ranger, CSI, a couple more.

But, those movies, doing those independents on that level, was such a great experience and growing time for me as an actor because the nature of it being a true indie, everyone’s disorganized, you’ve got 18 days to get this thing in the can, and it’s only so much money but you’re busting it, getting it done. But, in that, you’re allowed a great deal of creative freedom. Because people are like runnin’ and gunnin’ as they’re saying, “This isn’t making sense. Can you make it work?” Yeah, I can make that work. You’re able to work with the writers and you create as you go. It also taught me to think on my feet. It’s made me available for any twists that may come and that’s what really made it such a good experience. I also did a diverse type of characters. I did a comedy, two comedies. In one I played this bodybuilder who was this complete innocent guy that was being hit on by a homosexual man the whole time and he was just so happy just to have a friend and there was a lot that went on there. Then, I played the opposite of that where I played the Obi-Wan of sex, if you will. That was a lot of fun. I moved on to a western, a crazy, psycho guy, so I got to do a lot of stretching as an actor which I think has helped me a lot because I love character work.

I don’t just don’t get up and say, “I’ll just go be me.” I try and put me in every character and just blow that aspect up but I just don’t play an idea.

I think that comes through because the character of Sawyer, to anyone who comes upon him, they know exactly what he means and where he’s coming from, the intensity of it all. It’s a character that’s been infused with a history.

Yes!

And that’s what I love about this craft. For me, a lot of the things that I see in character work is an idea. You can tell when someone is playing an idea or if they’re emboding it and it’s so important to find that aspect within you, that’s truly you, and blow it up. That’s what makes it real.

(Josh turns his head quickly as his wife tries to sneak through his jeans to steal a cigarette. He starts to ask her what she needs before she puts a finger to her lips and points down to my recorder. Josh laughs anyway as the faux noises of passionate love embed themselves into my digital device; it is funny. She absconds with what she wants from Josh.)

Supporting the cause for research How long have you been married? Since October 1st.

Congratulations.

Thank you so much. 1 year. We’ve almost been together 7 now.

Really?

Long time.

She has seen me at my worst.

I was just going to say that I heard something about real estate.

Oh yes.

Were you getting to the point where you were thinking about giving it all up?

Again. I think that was the 3rd time the town broke me. But in 8 ½ years of busting it and constant rejection and getting close and never quite getting to work, to do the work you’ve been trained to do that’s in you. It just burns you up. And, yeah, right before I booked Lost I had just got my real estate license, I was making my exit again, and I had t have the conversation with my wife who was then my girlfriend, I hadn’t yet proposed, I just didn’t have anything I could bring. I couldn’t support her. It’s part of being a man I guess. My feeling was, “If I can’t provide anything then what am I doing?”

And that was it. I needed to move on in my life. Just for my soul I had to do something. So I went into real estate. I got my license, I got Lost and promptly filed it away.

(Laughs the kind of laugh only people who really do know what it’s like to no longer be indentured to a 9 to 5 existence.)

Did you realize how big this job was going to be when you saw that J.J. Abrams was attached to it?

Just because I had been beaten as bad as I did for 8 ½ years I knew, statistically, and knowing my past, I knew I was going to have to go the Clooney path which was that I was going to have to do 16 pilots before one goes. So I was just happy to get the first level for what I thought was going to be a really long road. I was praying, of course, that it would work but, statistically, they were telling me it was going to be one of the most expensive shows ever, and that’s when I was like”¦

Were you thinking, “I can’t believe this is happening?”

The one thing that goes through your head is, “Oh my God, I better kick it. I better be on the level with this one or they’ll kill me quickly.” And that was a bit intimidating at first, working with actors that I had been watching through the years like Harold, who did ROMEO AND JULIET, Naveen who was in the ENGLISH PATIENT and Dom who was in the LORD OF THE RINGS movies, and Matt Fox who was in his series forever, and I was like, “Oh boy.”

Was the experience like thinking, “These guys have so much experience”¦”

Yes and the knowledge that, “You’re damn right I’m ready and I can certainly be on the level.”

But of course you’re worried about it until you actually get in the game.

That’s what amazing, too, is that we’ve become such a family of friends and that rarely happens with a cast. Even with a small cast that’s rare but a large cast? For us to get along so well”¦I want, as much as I want to be on the show, I want to be able and continue these relationships with these wonderful people, my new friends. That’s been a huge gift.

And we get together on Wednesdays, whoever’s flashback episode it is, we go to their house and, whether they like it or not, it’s their responsibility to host the party. So, every Wednesday we get to touch base because a lot of the time we don’t get to film together. We’re all off shooting different parts. So, every Wednesday we pull it back together, we have some laughs and get inspired by each other and inspire each other.

You never hear these kinds of things.

No, you don’t.

To go with the ABC angle, Desperate Housewives have been doing so well but on the US magazines of the world it’s all about who’s fighting with who, who’s asking for more money”¦

Yeah, which is the norm, from what I’ve been told and that this is extremely rare. And I’m like, “Really? This is awesome.” And what’s difficult is that you get so close and Ian Somerhalder is no longer there and he’s a very good friend and it’s, “Argh!” I was getting into our fishing together.

And on the subject of finding work, what really got you through the day when you were looking for that one job or that one break which would’ve helped you out? Everyone says it’s believing in yourself, it’s perseverance, but self-help garbage aside, what really carried you through your days?

I couldn’t stop my dreams.

I couldn’t stop my daydreams or night dreams or my dreams of what I want out of life. I don’t know, I didn’t know what I wanted out of life. I didn’t know what I wanted to be, I wanted to be everything. Acting would provide that. I could taste what it would be like to be a secret agent, I could taste what it would be like to be a contractor, a lawyer, whatever, this or that. That really”¦I didn’t want to let that go because I wanted to experience what movies and the like would allow you to experience. And it’s still”¦it’s what got me up in the morning. It takes everything you have, emotionally and physically, just to keep going. You’re constantly nervous or excited, really happy or really sad, and it’s just a constant plethora of emotions that you’re faced with in this job.

I mean, I’m a cancer, I’m emotional and that’s what kept me in: the magic. You hit those moments and you have that magic happen it’s freeing. And when I was about to leave I’d hit the magic again. And it would reel me back in. But I can’t. It’s so all-encompassing for me. And that’s what inspires me in life; I want to inspire and be inspired.

23 episodes. That’s tough enough on a writer but what you have to go through to get it all in as an actor?

It’s difficult to get it all in and filmed in 8 days. They write such amazing little movies each time. To get it all in that amount of time we’re moving at a ballistic pace and thank God we have the kind of actors we do as we’re handed scripts and pretty much told, “Here you go. You have five minutes. Good luck.” And they all do it. And they knock it out of the park. Begrudgingly, because it’s so nerve wracking, but you do it and that’s been amazing. That we’ve been able to keep up the pace but keep the bar up.

And you know”¦I’m looking forward to doing more scenes with people I didn’t get to do many scenes with during the first season. I didn’t get many scenes with Emily. One scene with Jorge; can’t wait to do more scenes with Jorge. I love the casting because you get to work with so many actors that are awesome and each one is a different flavor and adds a different dimension to your character. How you deal with them and what they bring out of you and what you bring out of them.

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