Comments on: Bagged & Boarded 23: Uncivil War http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/ Sun, 09 May 2010 20:13:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: DjBezzle http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-19476 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:05:59 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-19476 Had to chime in on this one, there most certainly are interchangable comedies for example tommyboy and black sheep, those are two completely seperate films with different plots but if you tuned in half way through the film you would have no idea which you were watching nor would most people care yet you’d get the exact same entertainment result. Also most Adam sandler movies such as mr deeds Billy madison happy gillmore. You have very interchangeable movies there with different story characters playing the same roles and same retarded guy with/without money senario. Also none of these movies have a reason the movies themselves were not imagined to be funny they were created as vehicles for chris farley and Adam sandler to do what they do best , if Adam sandler chris farley ect didn’t perform those roles the movie loses purpose and context on the spot…..you can also add lol Nicky the waterboy and big daddy to that list, all 3 of those are intrchangable with the parent issue plot and same character archetypes

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By: Kyle http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-18907 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:06:40 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-18907 Sigh. This is an incredible train-wreck of a debate. I can’t believe this argument goes as far as it does. It’s almost painful to listen to.

Matt, I can hardly believe that you’re not just willfully misunderstanding Jesse to instigate this whole argument. It’s amusing, but at the same time, you come off as an immense jackass, sir. You overly specify what a character is & what a movie is, which causes this whole thing.

Actually, listening closer, it may be a result of being really fucking high during the podcast…

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By: DeadpoolofSpill http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17886 Sun, 24 May 2009 01:28:51 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17886 I’m split on this.

I agree with Jesse that some movies like Mall Rats can be put in any location and the soul of the movie will be there as long as the characters are the same. I also agree that the soul purpose of almost every film is to make money, just look at Date Movie and all that other crap.

But I’m with Matt when he says “I don’t know what the fuck the means?”

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By: Isaac http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17417 Tue, 05 May 2009 02:06:40 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17417 t spend the majority of the argument interrupting and shouting over Matt. That aside, there are quite a few films out there that are highly interchangeable. The Die Hard series is a great example because really all they did in each movie was make the place he’s moving around in larger and the amount the thieves were stealing greater. Otherwise it’s the same exact movie. I’d argue that you could take the John McClane character place him in any movie were it’s him against an army of foes and you’ll have another Die Hard. Someone else brought up the “Movies” films: another perfect example. Although in this case the piece that is switched around is “theme” instead of “character”. I think where this argument fell apart is when Matt took Jessie’s statements as a personal attack, as if the fact that some movies are interchangeable with others invalidates his career choice as a writer. Matt if you don’t want to make interchangeable films then write scripts that tell original stories. Formulaic plots are the bane of the movie industry. Matt was right though about characters being their details, from a writer’s standpoint the construction of a good character is truly from the ground up, and everything they do in a story is predicated on those details. This is not to say though that those character details can’t exist in a different setting with a similar plotline.]]> Damn, this shit just got heated all of a sudden. Jessie wins this round by virtue of the fact that he didn’t spend the majority of the argument interrupting and shouting over Matt. That aside, there are quite a few films out there that are highly interchangeable. The Die Hard series is a great example because really all they did in each movie was make the place he’s moving around in larger and the amount the thieves were stealing greater. Otherwise it’s the same exact movie. I’d argue that you could take the John McClane character place him in any movie were it’s him against an army of foes and you’ll have another Die Hard. Someone else brought up the “Movies” films: another perfect example. Although in this case the piece that is switched around is “theme” instead of “character”. I think where this argument fell apart is when Matt took Jessie’s statements as a personal attack, as if the fact that some movies are interchangeable with others invalidates his career choice as a writer. Matt if you don’t want to make interchangeable films then write scripts that tell original stories. Formulaic plots are the bane of the movie industry. Matt was right though about characters being their details, from a writer’s standpoint the construction of a good character is truly from the ground up, and everything they do in a story is predicated on those details. This is not to say though that those character details can’t exist in a different setting with a similar plotline.

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By: Roadkill http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17356 Mon, 04 May 2009 01:47:07 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17356 Wow, didn’t think it could go downhill from “we’re 8 minutes into the podcast” but you boys surprise me. I like the podcast, but this episode was entertaining till Jesse started with the “all movies are interchangable” and Matt rebutted with “Rocky is a sports movie”.

Keep up the funnies, some debates fall into that category (funny), sadly this one wasn’t. Didn’t help that all you two did was say your points over and over. Remember people, to define recursion one must first define recursion.

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By: Emlyn http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17345 Sun, 03 May 2009 11:43:42 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17345 re not a true movie fan." Bullshit. He loves the movies he loves, making him a true movie fan. If an older film doesn't look particularly interesting there's no movie fan code that says you must watch it. Similarly, it pisses me off how some people claim they only like the 'greats' because it just seems they're saying what they're supposed to say.]]> “Damn Matt, you’re not a true movie fan.”

Bullshit. He loves the movies he loves, making him a true movie fan.

If an older film doesn’t look particularly interesting there’s no movie fan code that says you must watch it.

Similarly, it pisses me off how some people claim they only like the ‘greats’ because it just seems they’re saying what they’re supposed to say.

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By: John http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17334 Sun, 03 May 2009 04:00:49 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17334 Now I hate Jesse. This has been an interesting listen so far, I hope it ends well.

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By: John http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17333 Sun, 03 May 2009 03:15:47 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17333 Born in 1983. I rented the movies or watched it on WPIX, or USA up all night.

I still watch movies I have not seen from 70s, 80s and 90s.

Damn Matt, you’re not a true movie fan.

Your opinion really just became meaningless after this episode. Damn damn damn, this podcast episode is painful bro…

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By: John http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17330 Sun, 03 May 2009 02:08:01 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17330 How can you not like Anchorman? I think that’s a sign of a person with bad taste in comedy. I’m ignoring your love for Raising Arizona.

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By: Greg http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17280 Fri, 01 May 2009 03:10:22 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17280 Jesse, you are insightful. I get where you’re coming from.

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By: JesseRivers http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17273 Fri, 01 May 2009 00:39:14 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17273 “Jesse is wrong. He is biased against comedies that are just made to entertain, which is not a bad thing.”

Why does everyone keep saying this? I said I was not a fan of Anchorman. I love Mallrats and Dumb and Dumber. Dr. Strangelove is a comedy. Raising Arizona is one of the best films ever made. I’m just not a fan of Anchorman.

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By: hippi http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17266 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:58:34 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17266 Jesse is wrong. He is biased against comedies that are just made to entertain, which is not a bad thing.

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By: Grant http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17258 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:39:22 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17258 I’m with Jesse. You have to stop taking it so personally, and look at the big picture.

I think the perfect evidence is all the dreamworks anthropomorphic animal flicks. All interchangable, all for the same purpose – to give parents something to take their kids to, and to sell merchandise $$$.

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By: adam http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17247 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:09:18 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17247 Sitting here thinking what to write cause what you just discussed is a mindfuck!

Thank you very much for that.

Oh an Matt have you seen Heathers that’s so 80′ and so cool.

By the way I’m with Jesse on this one.

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By: Matt S. http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17239 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:15:21 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17239 The guys behind the “Movie” flics are, by the definition posited by Kevin Smith, hacks. They do films that are completely interchangeable and because they are devoid of difference, they are made for the sole purpose of making money.
The independent film scene is the perfect example for films that aren’t intended to make money. Sure, some do, but for the most part, it doesn’t matter if indie films make money, just as long as they’re made.

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By: JesseRivers http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17236 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:53:10 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17236 Matthew…

I understand and agree with everything you just said. I’m not talking about fans. I’m talking about the reasons for a movie to be made. If I recall correctly, this entire conversation bean when I mentioned something about there being no reason for certain movies other than money and I used Transformers as an example. I understand that people like them, but I also understand that some films are made for no other reason than cash. That’s all I’ve been trying to say. I’m not saying that anyone would want to make a movie that loses money, but sometimes that is the ONLY reason…

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By: MattCohen http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17234 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:38:02 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17234 jesse,,,

MOVIE BUSINESS!!!!

BUSINESS!!!!

What movie is ever made to lose money? That’s batshit insane. Yes, sometimes people have some emotional connection to said story, but at the end of the day, the primary way for that story to reach as many people as possible, is to do well in sales, IE, MAKE MONEY.

Fans of the saw series like the saw series. Why cant you concede to that. They feel an emotional connection to that,. Be it fright, joy, laughter WHICH ARE ALL EMOTIONS.

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By: JesseRivers http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17233 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:14:48 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17233 Mars is cool.

I thought I was naive, but anyone who believes that there isn’t writers, directors and actors out there that take on certain jobs primarily for the money is absolutely insane. In fact, back in the studio contracted days, almost everyone did just that. They don’t continue the Saw series for any other reason than to make money and I believe the people that write it only have to concern themselves with creative death scenes and a twist ending. There’s no emotional connection. There’s no message to convey. There’s nothing new about it. But they will continue churning them out until the box office slides.

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By: Mars http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17227 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:00:29 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17227 You know what? If I am understanding his argument correctly, Jesse is right. It comes down to what they call “initial purpose” and “secondary purpose”. What Jesse seems to be saying is that a movie is a means through which creators, actors, and crew attempt to communicate some aspect of human experience. This communication of experience manifests itself in the form of the “secondary purpose”. Movies like Dumb and Dumber may be hilarious (personal opinion, it was ok…) but they are not communicating some aspect of human experience. Dumb and Dumber’s purpose was simply “to make people laugh.” And there is nothing wrong with that. That doesn’t mean, however, that there isn’t something valuable and quality and noteworthy about a film that “makes people laugh”, while at the same time it conveys an understanding of some aspect of life, love, hate, jealousy, etc. A perfect quickstop-centric example would be Mallrats versus Chasing Amy. Mallrats, as I’m sure even Kevin Smith might agree, was intended to be funny- not much more. Chasing Amy, on the other hand, was intended to be funny, and to convey some understanding of life. Mallrats succeeded at being funny, Amy succeeded at being funny and being emotionally and intellectually engaging. I agree with Matt when he says that a writer or director intends to “make people laugh”, or “create a kick ass action flick”, but this isn’t the same type of purpose that Jesse is refering to. Matt seems to be caught up on the idea that Jesse means that movies without purpose have no value. That’s not the point at all. Movies that have no secondary meaning, or “purpose”, can still be valuable, entertaining, well made, quality films. It’s just that movies that achieve their initial purpose(escapist, making people laugh, psychological thriller), while at the same time achieving a secondary purpose (communicating a meaning, allegory, emotional resonance, intellectual engagement) are deserving of being praised and respected on a different level.

I’ve been listening regularly for the past couple of months, and I’ve really enjoyed what you guys are doing lately.

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By: MattCohen http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/04/28/bagged-boarded-23-uncivil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17226 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:33:51 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=9667#comment-17226 cajun dave,

we are leeeeeegion.

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