Comments on: Backlash: A Fistful of Frak http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/ Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:51:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: KJB http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15538 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:51:31 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15538 Blaine:
You could be right about the Boomer / vacuum conundrum but I seem to remember seeing an explosive decompression (or at least the implication of one) when they spaced the Leoben (I don’t remember the spelling and just don’t feel like doing to .02 second Google search that would have taken less time than it did to write this line to go look for it) Cylon that started the whole “let’s screw with Starbuck’s head” plotline. You know, that plot thread they just can’t seem to decide what they’re going to do with.

On that subject, since I really don’t want to devote a whole second column to Galactica (but probably will before it shuffles off to Buffalo), what was up with the Kara nearly having ghost sex with what turned out to be her Daddy (spoiler cretins just stop before you start writing – if you really cared, you’d have watched it by now)? Can I get an “ewwwww” from the crowd? Was that whole thing just so we’d still be saying “what the fuck?” when the Boomer plotline became the trainwreck it promised to be in the opening scene? As my ex-girlfriend would say, oy.

Thanks for all the comments, positive or negative. Keep ’em coming. I get paid by the flame (I wish).

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By: Blaine http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15471 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:52:02 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15471 I have to confess, I know exactly what you mean, KJB. I align myself with the devout fans, but it has become very frustrating to tune in each week not knowing whether I’m going to be relieved by answers to questions that I’m not sure are going to receive answers or smacked by new questions (the latter, as we know, being Lost’s modus operandi). I still drool over anything BSG, but at this point I have to keep my Star Trek TOS DVDs handy as a security blanket for when BSG lets me down.

Some people are really railing on you here, and I understand their reasons: They’re indignant that anyone could say anything derogatory about the show, and feel the need to retaliate immediately. But, reading what you’ve said, I can’t help but think that you are just stating what the little voices in the back of my head have been whispering for at least the last year.

P.S. Now that you tell it, I realize the inconsistency with Boomer in the vacuum. I do recall that being a major part of the plot at the time. As for the airlock, I’ll offer this: Maybe it’s not the vacuum of space, but rather the freezing cold of it, that kills them.

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By: KJB http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15461 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:55:13 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15461 t. When you fly the planes, you wear a suit. Your argument is based on her not ditching the suit before racing out of the ship to plant a bomb?" Yes, Boomer did. She had ditched her helmet. Screw the pressure suit, she wouldn't have been able to breathe. And if you go back and look, that's one of the ways they figured out she was a Cylon, because her Raptor co-pilot told people back on Galactica that Boomer had come back without her helmet from an airless environment. It's a major plot point, Wayne. As they say in football, go check the tape. Just because I find fault with the series doesn't mean I don't watch it and / or pay attention. Better attention than some of the series' big fans, it seems. Wayne went on to say: "And how does Ellen’s reveal as a Cylon contradict any previous storyline? You make the statement without providing any evidence to the contrary. Yes, it’s just a TV show, but come on, provide some sort of backup if you’re going to make a blanket statement." And here, you need to pay better attention to WHAT YOU READ. I blame the public schools, really. If you take a gander up the page a bit, you'll see that what I wrote was that Moore & Eick had to pull the Ellen solution out of their ass because the character they had originally intended to make the 5th Cylon would have created a huge plot contradiction. As of now, we don't know for sure which character that was but the even money bet was Starbuck, considering they've been screwing with her since season 1 and have now had to figure out something entirely different for the character to do. That seems to be the consensus among the Galactica fans I've polled on the subject but I'd like to think Moore and Eick aren't that bloody stupid. Not only would have been too damn obvious it just would have been stupid. For God's sake, were ANY of the command crew on Galactica human? Adama (Sr. or Jr.) would be out because there had been births involved. Baltar - see my comments on Starbuck. Alsoi would have been a bad choice for a ton of reasons. @Riddle: I agree 1000% about Ellen. Ugh. I had hoped that given this opportunity we would see a different character with the same actress but no such luck. She's still a spiteful, unlikable bitch. And the stuff this week with Boomer and the Chief? Oy. Where's Herb Jefferson Jr. when you need him (I know, bitter & signing autographs at a VFW hall somewhere).]]> Hate to double post but when someone says to check my own facts then fucks their own up, I have to come back on that:

Wayne said:
“and Boomer never walked around in a vacuum. She had a pressure suit on while her doubles didn’t. When you fly the planes, you wear a suit. Your argument is based on her not ditching the suit before racing out of the ship to plant a bomb?”

Yes, Boomer did. She had ditched her helmet. Screw the pressure suit, she wouldn’t have been able to breathe. And if you go back and look, that’s one of the ways they figured out she was a Cylon, because her Raptor co-pilot told people back on Galactica that Boomer had come back without her helmet from an airless environment. It’s a major plot point, Wayne. As they say in football, go check the tape. Just because I find fault with the series doesn’t mean I don’t watch it and / or pay attention. Better attention than some of the series’ big fans, it seems.

Wayne went on to say:
“And how does Ellen’s reveal as a Cylon contradict any previous storyline? You make the statement without providing any evidence to the contrary. Yes, it’s just a TV show, but come on, provide some sort of backup if you’re going to make a blanket statement.”

And here, you need to pay better attention to WHAT YOU READ. I blame the public schools, really. If you take a gander up the page a bit, you’ll see that what I wrote was that Moore & Eick had to pull the Ellen solution out of their ass because the character they had originally intended to make the 5th Cylon would have created a huge plot contradiction. As of now, we don’t know for sure which character that was but the even money bet was Starbuck, considering they’ve been screwing with her since season 1 and have now had to figure out something entirely different for the character to do. That seems to be the consensus among the Galactica fans I’ve polled on the subject but I’d like to think Moore and Eick aren’t that bloody stupid. Not only would have been too damn obvious it just would have been stupid. For God’s sake, were ANY of the command crew on Galactica human? Adama (Sr. or Jr.) would be out because there had been births involved. Baltar – see my comments on Starbuck. Alsoi would have been a bad choice for a ton of reasons.

@Riddle: I agree 1000% about Ellen. Ugh. I had hoped that given this opportunity we would see a different character with the same actress but no such luck. She’s still a spiteful, unlikable bitch. And the stuff this week with Boomer and the Chief? Oy. Where’s Herb Jefferson Jr. when you need him (I know, bitter & signing autographs at a VFW hall somewhere).

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By: KJB http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15460 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:42:58 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15460 And the Galactica fans of course come out to defend their show, as expected and as they should. When did Stargate become the series that was the default smackdown for everyone that didn’t like YOUR show? I understood why the Farscape fans had a hard on for the series – they saw it as taking money away from their show even if ultimately gave some of those stars work. But Galactica fans? You might as well accuse me of championing shit like Ghost Hunters International for all the sense that argument makes.
For the record, I like drama. I like GOOD drama. As I stated, Galactica is a series whose drama comes from the actor moments, not from good and consistent plotting. I’d be closer to admitting I was wrong if the producers themselves didn’t come right out and essentially cop to it.
I didn’t go on about all the plot problems because I didn’t feel like writing a goddamn thesis on the subject. I gave it the space and consideration it deserved. Again, it’s a long damn way from being the “best fraking show on television”.
Look, kiddies, I’ve worked in television a long time and it’s common practice for US television series to make it up as they go. But if you’re creating an arc-style series you need to have something of a roadmap for where the hell you’re going, otherwise you get the kind of meandering bullshit for meandering bullshit’s sake that we’ve gotten out of 75% of Galactica. The other 25% almost redeems is but not quite. And no, I don’t think the producers of LOST had any idea where they were going with it, which is why THAT series is such a clusterfuck. We’ll be able to teach college courses in a couple of years on the J.J. Abrams’ style of how to fuck up a good series but that’s the subject of a whole other column.
And to clarify, just how do we see that character ‘die’ in the sequence they have shown in the open since the second episode? No, the portrayal of the Cylons in the pilot is very inconsistent with how they were used afterward, from the glowing red spine to that sequence (if she died so horribly, how the fuck did Baltar survive? Oh, wait, because we needed him to fuck up shit for the rest of the series) to their on again / off again super strength and ability to survive in a vacuum but somehow still suffer from explosive decompression. All I’m saying is create a set of rules and stick to them in your own universe, something that Galactica has been very, very bad at but seems to be forgiven because of the “drama”. Get over it, Galactites. Fact is, at the end of the day, it’s still just a TV show and not some transcendent evolution of the medium.

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By: Wayne http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15441 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:07:04 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15441 Wait a second, you’re blasting the series for being inconsistent, and then provide no evidence for it, except for two examples that are complete bullshit? How exactly was the pilot miniseries inconsistent with itself? The scene with Baltar in the opening credits resulted in a violent death for the character who you seem to think was just fine, and Boomer never walked around in a vacuum. She had a pressure suit on while her doubles didn’t. When you fly the planes, you wear a suit. Your argument is based on her not ditching the suit before racing out of the ship to plant a bomb?

And how does Ellen’s reveal as a Cylon contradict any previous storyline? You make the statement without providing any evidence to the contrary. Yes, it’s just a TV show, but come on, provide some sort of backup if you’re going to make a blanket statement.

And no, Moore and Co. didn’t have a plan when the show started. Unlike the faux artiste types who write Lost, they make it up as they go along, and ADMIT it. You honestly think Lost or the X-Files or Buffy had a concrete story line when they started? Of course not. Things change, old info is forgotten, etc. That’s how continuing storylines on TV work. Moore and Eick have been honest, therefore they’re assholes. What a crock.

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By: Tom http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15439 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:40:07 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15439 t mean that they're any less frail than humans. Plot development: the mutiny episode you mention is perfect example of an episode that stands apart from the main plot. The new caprica episodes were also good examples. Too grim: its not all sunshine and stargates?! NOOOOOOO! Just because a show isn’t escapist orientated doesn’t mean it can't be entertaining. the show presents people who are pushed to the edge in a way that real life scenarios can't, that the greatest part. New show: the action scenes are added bonus to the drama really. How many episodes do we actually see an action sequence? an drama in a sci-fi setting can be as good as any drama, if not better. Why can’t a sci-fi show be a hard hitting gritty drama? The new caprice episode (the best ones) uses the sci-fi element to comment on the occupation of Iraq from an otherwise controversial perspective. Just watch something else if you don’t like drama.]]> UN-FRAKING BELEIVABLE. Lets break down your criticisms.

Plot inconsistency: i never noticed these glaring errors until you told me about them. caprica six was still killed by the blast and boomer might have been in a pressurised environment. It doesn’t mean that they’re any less frail than humans.

Plot development: the mutiny episode you mention is perfect example of an episode that stands apart from the main plot. The new caprica episodes were also good examples.

Too grim: its not all sunshine and stargates?! NOOOOOOO!
Just because a show isn’t escapist orientated doesn’t mean it can’t be entertaining. the show presents people who are pushed to the edge in a way that real life scenarios can’t, that the greatest part.

New show: the action scenes are added bonus to the drama really. How many episodes do we actually see an action sequence?
an drama in a sci-fi setting can be as good as any drama, if not better.

Why can’t a sci-fi show be a hard hitting gritty drama? The new caprice episode (the best ones) uses the sci-fi element to comment on the occupation of Iraq from an otherwise controversial perspective.

Just watch something else if you don’t like drama.

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By: Riddle http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15435 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:38:25 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15435 i agree with this assessment completely. i’ve enjoyed the show, but only by ignoring a lot of ridiculousness and focusing on the actors. but the last few episodes have been disappointing. **SPOILER ALERT** i always hated “Ellen” (as an actress and character) and was glad when they killed her off, but now, they’ve brought her back as the most boring solution to “who’s number 5?” they could have possibly presented. and those hospital scenes with “Sam” spewing all this Cylon history mumbo-jumbo? sounds like grasping at straws. i’m caring less with each episode and am no longer sad to see the show go.

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By: Anne http://asitecalledfred.com/2009/02/27/battlestar-galactica-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-15434 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:16:03 +0000 http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=8816#comment-15434 you sir have no fraking idea what you are talking about in my humble opinion

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